8.7 maybe… But 9.0… Not without buffs. Even if that was just Napalm (which it had and was reported 3 years ago) so you could base bomb instead of just ratting. But there are definetly stronger aircraft at 9.0. Especially in RB but also in SB.
Like what
Fine by me, it just can’t stay 8.3 where its strictly better than most planes when flown intelligently.
Sure, but which are you considering stronger
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- Napalm
- Buffed Red Tops (if not true all-aspect, you could certainly massively increase the side aspect angles you could lock on at)
F-86F-2 / F–86F-40
Hunter F1 / Hunter F6 (france) (J-34 should be here as well, but the devs hate Sweden for some reason)
Ariete
G.91 R/4
Sa’ar
Super Mystere B2
Probably more Ive missed. all aircraft Id consider overall stronger airframes than the Sea Vixen at 9.0 in SB. Sure the Sea Vixen is slightly faster than a few of those, but barely, and again, the sea vixen trades that slightly higher top speed, for the fact it has no guns and is 100% reliant on a fairly weak rear-aspect IR missile. and if speed and speed alone was enough to justify a higher BR, then the F-104s would all be 10.0+ but they arent
It isn’t.
Plus the sea vixen also gets a decent radar with IFF, and an RWR. That, combined with it’s flight performance and not abysmal missile kit should absolutely put it at 9.0 in air sim. When I played it in air RB it also wasn’t that bad at 9.0 either, because you were able to completely dictate the fight with any plane below 9.3.
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The radar IFF is nice, but is also heavily affected by ground cluitter, so its of most use hunting bombers. Most fighters stick low, and so I have to VID most of the time anyway. Which is a pain in the butt given the amount of matching aircraft at that BR and you arent exactly a subtle airframe with the giant, distinctive wing.
The RWR is largely irrelevant as very little has a radar. Usually just warns me when Im getting too close to an SPAA.
Its fast in a straight line, but i’ve never considered its turn performance to be anything special. And even if it was, and you managed to “win” a turn fight, you cant do anything about it without guns. My general experience is that red tops dont work within about 1km and if the target is actively turn fighting you, then they will defeat a redtop anyway. They’d have to be stupid enough to try and go vertical or something for Red tops to be of any use
Every single time i’ve tried to play it in RB, I’ve gotten full uptiers and spent the match basically AFK, as any shot I try to make is innevetiably defeated by something with flares. Im pretty much confined to hunting zombers. The one match i recall recently getting a downtier. I was immediately chased down and killed by an F3H-2 which outperforms the Sea Vixen in every respect at the same BR.
From what i’ve heard from people who’ve tried to play it since the event, you are a free kill for the F-106 horde that you will always face.
Did i read it wrong or did bro actually say 8.7 before
Yes, it was then he changed it to 9.0. But that is still rather hilarious when nearly all supersonic aircraft are at 9.7 in SB ( i think the only one that isnt is the Yak-28B)
I really need the stuff some people here consume before they make these threads, must be some god level snoopdogg stuff
You cannot be serious?
Better move the pilot camera a bit sideways since they STILL HAVEN’T FIXED that opentrack bug which bans keyboard camera control bruhhhhh
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Which one of these were problematic to you, I could see some of it but had trouble seeing others
Just the idea that all of these planes outperform the Sea Vixen.
The only plane that maybe has a chance of catching it is Ariete which is blatant pay to win premium.
Notice how much better the Sea Vixen accelerates compared to basically everything else? Only plane that has reasonable chance of catching it is Ariete or F-11 (rare event plane that is only ever on the same side).
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In Mig-21’s defense, they have IFF.
F-106 is a WVR only aircraft for simulator while having a huge blindspot in the center which also means no aiming reticle.
Also the Mig-21S platforms are 10.0, not 9.7.
So at least for Simulator, F-106A isn’t meta. It’s fine, it’s just not 9.0 worthy or likely 9.7 worthy, at least for simulator.
It is a lower BR than every other early supersonic in its class.
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LOL your on glue, turns tight… supersonic… naw sorry if anything it should go up a little.
Even then, in Sim you don’t use guns that often anymore once you have missiles.
To be really accurate against any target and not waste ammo readjusting or giving your enemy a warning when they see your tracers missing and flying past them, you WANT to get very close to your enemy; missiles let you bypass all that.
Just get in range and hold down the missile fire button.
10.7 for all aspects
They would be that good, because you could just launch them at steep downward angles (increasing range massively) or at unaware targets from the front, where they wouldn’t have to turn much to hit and again, range is increased by A LOT since closure range is way higher.
And unlike, say, the Alpha Jet TH and its all-aspect AIM-9P-4s (10.7 btw, same as F-4E), you get a radar to point at people and IFF, AND the vast majority of your enemies don’t even have flares. Yet, I’ve done just fine using these missiles in this plane, specifically because if you know someone is an enemy, you can launch them at any angle you want.
A plane with a radar that struggles to lock someone level with it if they’re not above like 3km? And a missile that takes a few seconds just to start tracking the enemy? lol
I can’t see it going higher than 9.7 or maybe 10.0 with all aspect red tops. Red tops are just not that good, and it’s airframe starts to become outdated around 10.0 with the introduction of supersonic planes. Still, it should be 9.0 or potentially 9.3 in sim as is because it’s too good for 8.3.
The F-4E is so stupid at 10.7, especially when the arguably worse J-8B is 11.7.
I dont think people realise, the red top is as easy as an r3r to dodge in the headon. You wouldnt need flares to doge, what do they think 12g means?
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10.7 is the lowest BR where all-aspect IR missiles can be found, regardless of platform. You could maybe do 10.3, but having all-aspect capability is simply that good.
It is, and J-8B needs to come way down. F-4E completely dominates every lobby its in.
Except you have to KNOW such a missile is coming, and R-3R at least requires a radar lock.
So it’s slightly better than an R-3R, but why does that deserve 10.7?
And those are Aim-9P4s or aim-9Ls, not a missile that would marginally better than an all aspect Aim-9E.