The F-106A’s battle rating is wrong

You haven’t even played with it, why are you talking? You are probably basing your opinion over cherry picked CC footage which isn’t a valid metric at all to evaluate a plane.

It’s an F-104 sidegrade at best, trading in slightly better FM in exchange for worse missiles.

Also it’s been out for like two days and it’s getting clubbed to death no stop, why people on this forum can’t wait a couple of weeks to wait for the dust to settle when the matchmaking will have returned to normal?

Also all the 9.7 flareless planes have all good missiles and can equip rockets as makeshift flares, this has none of that, the Vulcan isn’t enough.

Imo we should move all the supersonic 9.x up in br, but unless you do that the F-106 can absolutely stay were it is.

Because I have a working brain. I can research the plane using statistics and hard fact truths, and I can refer to educated opinions from people who do have the plane. Event vehicles are owned by less than 1% of the population of the game. If you seriously think less than 1% of the population of the game is capable of having an informed opinion on something then I don’t know what to tell you.

Because famously the AIM-9Bs are game changers at 9.3? This also doesn’t state the true value in getting essentially all the pros of the F-104 but without almost any of the cons the 104 has save for bad energy retention, which can be solved by… accelerating back to full speed faster than your peers.

And worse flight models

So when do you think the dam breaks regarding compression? Do you think a 8.3-9.0 has any chance? If you say yes, are you delusional?

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What you wrote largely shows that you are absolutely clueless about this plane, that’s why I wrote that you should try it before talking…

I just want to respond about the last point: No, I don’t think that is fine that supersonic planes have the same br of subsonic planes, but that’s not just an issue with the F-106 alone, and you would know that if you tried it. As I already wrote in the last comment if you didn’t notice.

Do you mind explaining how

Yeah, sure.

First of all you aren’t getting all the pros of an F-104 without any of the cons. The F-104 is faster and has a better acceleration than the F-106. Yeah, it’s true that the F-106 has far better nose authority than the F-104 and you can pull an elevate AoA… for exactly one turn, because it has the worst speed bleed of any plane in game, and contrary to what you wrote, you can’t “accelerate back to your speed faster than your peers”, the acceleration isn’t that good as you seem to think.

Basically if you want to dogfight people you are bound to lose all of your speed very fast, and you are going to have a very difficult time getting that back, making you a sitting duck prone to getting killed extremely easily. Starting to dogfight people left and right will get you killed really quickly, the best way to play it it’s by using it to boom and zoom your enemies, pretty much the same play style you need to use with the F-104, but without the AIM-9B, which if you know how to use them can be surprisingly useful, not having them it’s a pretty negative. AIM-4 are extremely situational, they are only good for killing stalling enemies instead.

Moreover, you are right, at 9.3 planes aren’t that reliant on missiles, but thanks to compression, at 9.7 they quite are, whiteout functional missiles you would be really disadvantaged, not to mention you’ll see even more powerful missiles, more planes equiped with AIM-9L, Magics, R-60m and PL-5B. Tell me, what is an F-106 supposed to do against a J7D which does everything you do but better and has some powerful IR missiles?

By bringing this up to 9.7 you wouldn’t resolve anything, 8.7 subsonic planes are as helpless as the 8.3 subsonics to this plane, you are just making this plane more unplayable that it already is.
Subsonics have to treat this plane as every other supersonic, start turn fight with it and get it slow and kill it, if the pilot of the supersonic plane doesn’t take the bait they are helpless, which is unfair, it isn’t a problem with just the F-106, it’s a problem they have with F-104, Mig-19, Mig-21, lighting… The 9.0-10.0 is probably the most compressed and unfair br, but save a massive decompression bringing every supersonic up (and subsequently everything else above up too) nothing will change.

Also I noticed now that this discussion is tagged as Sim, I was writing with RB battles in mind. In sim, as I already wrote in other threads, it should go up to 9.7 as the other supersonics like the F-104. Basically imo the F-106 should be whatever br the F-104C is.

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It would stop it from compressing one of the most compressed brs in the game. Its already bad enough fighting f104s in a mig15 bis now u gotta fight f104s that can turn+ have headon missiles

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It’s somehow a lower br than the early American f104…. Just move it up alrdy

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My experience has been the plane is quite good at dogfighting. I don’t see any reason to move it down; if anything it should be 9.7 like some of the other flareless supersonic aircraft.

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This thing should clearly go upwards in BR not downwards. 9.7 or maybe even to 10.0 would be the right place for F106.

But I have to admit that I do not know which one is more amusing here: people trying to explain why F106 needs a lower BR or people trying to justify Sea Vixens current BR. Just pure comedy.

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I think youre on drugs
Drog hatása alatt állhatsz ha úgy gondolod hogy magas BRban van ez a gép xD

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Performs far better than 9B and is comparablr to 9E, both of which are plenty good for getting kills

10.7 for all-aspect

Don’t get in a dogfight, skill issue.

Gigantic skill issue. No, by far he best performing 8.3 Air Sim plane does not need buffs.

So 9.7?
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G.91s are also all limited to M0.97, so they can’t even catch up in a dive ever.


Sea Vixen is no less than 50kph faster (than the higher tier G.91s no less) and is not so limited by wave drag. Sea Vixen has a radar (with IFF, unlike 106) and four 9E-equivalents (that also pull harder). It also climbs much better.

This is the G.91’s rear visibility. How are you gonna see them coming?

Again, gigantic skill issue. Titanic even.

But these can?
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On a plane that is less maneuverable, has worse speed retention, and faces much tougher opponents?

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you think supersonic plane vs early cold war and WW2 jet will be nice? They aren’t even supersonic and most of them don’t have missiles and radar at all. It missle is quite good and it Gatling gun at such low BR.

bro wants a supersonic with decent missiles lower than the transonic brick that is lightning lmao

yea, early sidewinders are far better than anyone gives credit

Ragebait

youve never tried the lightning have you?

Doesn’t matter thing is like faster than everything else and bullys the F-104 & Su-7

now thats ragebait. you havent played the vehicle mate

So are red tops. From my experience with them, they are perfectly usable in a dogfight, far more so than the 9B thanks to their massive gimbal limit.

R3S < AIM-9B < AIM-9E < Red Top

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what you mean?