wasnt, it was general before OP changed it, likely at the same time he switched 8.7 to 9.0.
I was talking to someone else about the Sea Vixen
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I know but you said that this is a sim thread. I just pointed out that it wasnt a sim thread initially. OP changed it later.
Self-titled CAS main making a terrible suggestion…
Oh really sorry
What does this have to do with Ground?
Being a CAS main tends to bring more bad takes.
No like what does CAS have to do with a Air Battle thread?
Ah yes lets put the F104 with better turning at 9.0 so 8.3 can suffer even futher. Be grateful it is still at 9.3, it may go to 9.7 soon.
Please don’t form opinions, Angel_of_CAS.
not in sim.
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And the 15/f86 can never, ever kill the sea vixen so long as the sea vixen isnt flown by a moron. It’s incredibly oppressive in a downtier due to the flight model being better in large ways.
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So? You cant do anything either.
If “can out run everything else” is hte only requirement for a BR increase then why isnt the F-104As at 10.7?
You can very easily get kills with the red top in sim. Especially when your FM means you control any engagement you enter fully with a closed fist.
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If you drop onto someone that doesnt see you, maybe, but to defeat a red top you only have to turn slightly. No stronger than an Aim-9B in that regard
But unlike everything else, once your red top is defated you are unable to do anything as you ONLY have 4x weak rear aspect IR missiles
Famously hard to do in sim? I don’t think you’re about to tell me that.
Yes… in air RB. It’s much more difficult to do in sim and furthermore in sim, as I implied before, is very easy to get ambush shots, especially at this BR.
They are not weak for the BR, nor is it difficult to get into position to use them when the plane’s Fm is so much superior to almost all of its competition.
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No easier in the massive airframe that is the Sea Vixen than anything else
Again, if the ONLY strength of the Sea Vixen is sneaking up behind someone and shooting them, then its fine at its current BR
Red Tops cannot be used in a dogfight, Its run away and drop onto people not paying attention. Thats it, thats the entire gamepaly loop
Way easier in the vixen actually since you know, it has double the flight model of the aircraft it fights. The size of it does not matter.
When did you see me say to change the vixen’s BR
They absolutely can be used in situations where you utilize your insanely strong FM to simply drain the enemy’s energy reserves before finally getting on their six…
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Except it doesnt. It doesnt turn better than anything else at that BR and is only slightly faster. Its only strength is a better clibm rate. Did a match the other day and everythign was able to keep pace, just couldnt get in range to use guns. Barely got a chance to even fire a red top. This idea that the Sea Vixen is somehow double the speed everything is just stupid.
and again, F-104s should be 11,0 if that was a requirement
Its slightly stronger, it isnt that much better. Way stronger FMs at the same BR like the G91s and again, it should have a better FM than most as it has no gun and very weak Missiles
oh… but it does…
If only there were ways for aircraft with double the accel/climb rate/top speed to perform in such an enviroment where they can’t simply hold the elevator key… hmm
blatantly false, not only does it hold a significant top speed advantage but its ability to maintain energy/climb/and accelerate are all by and far superior to almost anything else at the BR. Your only real competition are things like MiGs who are never going to ever kill you because they are dealing with a tragically bad cockpit and weapon system to target you bnz’ing or energy trapping them. On top of that, I’m pretty sure you still out perform these jets in FM lmao
Just to be clear:
The point is there is a large gap in performance.
Misjudge on your part.
Is this a joke? Unless you mean the Y variants? In which case… no s*? They’re a higher BR and you won’t ever see them.