The BR of the Kfir Canard is unreasonably high. Other aircraft with similar BRs are the J-7D and the Mig-21bis. First, the J-7D is equipped with 4 Pl-5B or Pl-7. The Mig-21bis is equipped with 6 R-60m. Finally, the Kfir Canard is placed at 11.0 in the ARB, even though it can only carry 2 AIM-9Gs. This is clearly abnormal. The BR of the Kfir Canard should be lowered.
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Kfir when the Kbrave walks in
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Nah, its okay where it is.
It previously was 11.3 so imagine how harder it was in comparison.
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It should be 10.7
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I got around to playing it recently, and despite what I said previously I have been able to conclude that it is indeed in a rather poor spot right now. The solution isn’t a lower BR so it can curb stomp everything however, we need decompression.
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Agreed. 2 9G is not enough to stay at this br. Gaijin treats this plane as a striker or sth.
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Tried to play it recently and it is in a very poor spot, even if you want to brain dead bomb you cant as you are not fast enough, it should be 10.7 at most, 10.3 would not be unreasonable (it would be a slightly better mirage 5BA which is mid at 10.3).
Something like the mirage 3E gets 2 magics (far btter missiles) and a radar missile and large CMs at 10.7.
The J35XS gets 6 Aim9G equivlents and the same engine and simmmlar flight models (delta wings) and is 10.3 (IMO it should be 10.7).
Also others have menitioned the Mig 21SMTs at 10.3 (IMO should be 10.7) and J7D (should be 11.0) which are far better currently in AIR RB.
Currently the #3 aircraft in game in terms of RP/game and #7 in terms of SL (Statshark data, I have no opinion on the question, just thought it was interesting to pull up):
stay behind it then nerd
Im not gonna get too deep into why using legacy rp/sl stats is a bad way to balance vehicles.
Basicly what you posted is meaningless unless it accounts for;
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Stats only taken since the last BR update
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Accounts for the skill of the players playing it, Isreal is the last nation most people grind as it is the most bland with alot of copy paste so you generally have high skill players playing it (It is true for me as well, my last nation to grind)
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Includes all players, not those who post to stats shark
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Also the main playstyle of the vehicle, if people are just rush bombing then its stats can be weried, IMO they should just remove bases from game modes unless you are a actually bomber class.
I have also seen they are temporarly utting the Merkva 2D back on sale, if the Kfir GRB BR gets put down to 10.0 (dont see how it would be OP, something like the A4E early ort Ayit would still be far better), I will get the Merkva 2D (even thou its very mid at 10.0 and overpriced as not being put on 30% sale)
A little known fact is that the kfir canard has horrible flare placement, which leaves it very vulnerable to missiles shot from the left side.
That leaves it vulnerable to small seekers like Aim-9L, and at times even R-60s.
It should be definitely be under 11.0. f-5ag has aim-9l at 11.0
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The DEFA cannon is also horrible compared to 20mm miniguns that phantoms starfighters, etc get. In fact it might be even worse than Gsh 23.
In a duel, the DEFA user is very likely to lose against faster cannons, which are usually more accurate (M61 minigun, Gsh 23 dual cannon)
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Statshark is all players. Stats above were all RB games played between Apr 1 and Apr 30. Cheers.
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Fair, still my second point still stands - Isreal is generally the last nation to be grinded so has generally the best players.
I remember when both J35XS and Kfir were both at 10.3 or 10.7, thank goodness I finished those tech trees.
My guy, those seekers are NOT small lmao
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This is a joke, yes? Kfir has the J79 engine and is about 3x the plane the Mirage 5BA is because of it. 9Gs are also generally better missiles than Magic 1s in air RB in my experience.
Besides the fact it has a literally untouchable god flight model compared to every 9.3-10.0 in the game? This is like saying the F-16A could be 11.0 if it had 9Js.
Complete false. 9Gs are better.
You have did zero research into how good this radar missile is
And less of them, yay!
9Js are not 9G equivalents. They are worse.
No…
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This is a joke, yes? Kfir has the J79 engine and is about 3x the plane the Mirage 5BA is because of it. 9Gs are also generally better missiles than Magic 1s in air RB in my experience.
J35XS 10.3 8030 Kgf, mirage 5BA 10.3 6110 Kgf, kfir Canard 11.0 8150 Kgf
The J35XS should be 10.7, but as you can see simlar engine to the Kfir and is 10.3 with 3*missiles.
Magic 1s are better IMO, lowest gate width of non irrcm missiles so fireing under 1km is a garented kill 90% of the time, better pull of the rack so tracks faster, less range but not by much 2.5 km effective vs 3.0.
and a radar missile
I ahve spaded the mirage 3c and e, the missile is very useful at its BR, better by far to the R-3R, you jsut need to know good angle of approach, and what planes carry chaff and/or have no rwr.
Sure… this doesn’t mean same engine. You should also check on aircraft weight (kfir is lighter) and FM differences (J35 has far worse characteristics overall with far more drag)
Not disagreeing
Yeah nah they are still extremely easy to 1 flare in almost any situation so long as you aren’t sitting on burner like a dummy.
9G has something like… 2x the effective range of Magic 1. Not 500m.
It doesn’t come close to Kfir FM as an advantage. The singular (1) 530 is a 1 chaff missile. It relies on the opponent being unaware of its existence or not having chaff.