I agree, as I have been saying from the my very first message in this thread this is the only solution that doesn’t either A) seriously compromise the player experience or B) have gaijin miraculously magic up several hundred new vehicles in the space of a single/a handful of updates.
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Yep, but I already bet a ton of people will vote for the fully independent system because they have an irrational hate towards grinding and want anything that’ll make it shorter
Can I just add as well that, this would be good from Gaijin’s perspective too. More space within the tree’s means more unique premium vehicles, which means more profit for gaijin. It also splits the research for players, meaning that using South African vehicles will lead to researching more South African vehicles, and using British vehicles researches British vehicles, meaning the grind is technically faster for the player. So the players I’m sure would be slightly happier for the lesser grind, and Gaijin would be happier that they have more space to sell more premiums. They could even add a button to the bottom of the tech tree, like where they have the button that makes research go towards helicopters, that when you tick it, it pushes your research to whatever sub nation you choose for your research to go to, or push your research from the sub nation to the main one.
IE. select south African ground, tick box that says “Research Britain” or “Research India” or “Research Canada” or even a drop down list. if none are ticked, all the research using south African ground vehicles will go towards the next south African ground vehicle. if one is ticked, the research for that vehicle will go towards the nation you have ticked. That way you can use your Rooikat to research the Olifant Mk.2 or, if you don’t want it, you can tick a box and research a British vehicle like the Warrior instead.
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Research right now functions much the same way it does now. Instead of the Helicopter-style checkbox (that was in my original draft actually) it simply pools the shared research into one vehicle at a time the same way it is now.
Example: Italian and Hungarian vehicles both pool RP towards the Italian Sherman
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But for a bit of an added bonus, especially as incentive for Gaijin since they could market their premiums in a non-predatory way, there’s also an added 10% RP bonus when researching a vehicle with a premium of the same operator nation.
I was also considering a similar bonus system as a permanent thing for regular vehicles too, but it might be a hard sell for Gaijin.
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It seems like Gaijoob has once again chose the laziest, easiest route to “solve” the sub-tree problem.
Basically, in the upcoming update, you’re now able to switch the flag of the “research country” into any one of the operator country present in that tree, even if that country only has one vehicle in that tree.
This leads to some ridiculous situation like how you can reskin the US tech tree into Chinese or Iranian “tech tree” simply because each has one event vehicle in the US tree.
I think this a bad idea imo, since that basically shrugged the integrity of the tech tree into a huge catchall tree instead of historical relationship, since it seems that Gaijoob wanted you to simply “reskin” the tree into one of your liking instead of actually made it make sense.
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I would also imagine It allows you to mess around w/ the nations that are split.
You could probably reskin Ger, US and the UK into Canada at the same time, which is a bit ridiculous.
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The list should include only main country flags in my opinion.
Imagine it showed up in matches aswell, you’d have to do a guessing game on whever your fighting British Canada, American Canada or German Canada.
Can’t wait for those who support ripping nations apart to hide behind it when you support a nation getting a home… not. They’re already annoying, telling you to be happy, you need to grind 7 different trees and can’t use your tech in a line-up together.
This feels like a lazy way to go: “See, neither nation is above or below.” Well, not fixing the room issues, which is even more major.
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Well that’s a fine addition but that doesn’t replace nation folders
This feature doesn’t exclude subtree rework. If subtree rework is implemented you just might be able to choose flag for each country (WWII, modern etc.).
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It’s a lazy approach by Gaijin, but it indeed does not rule out this subtree rework proposal.
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I don’t really see this as a solution directly. It’s a bit of customization that lets you show every tree as any operator nation from the vehicles you have in it.
Customization options range from all German flags in game, over to the Swiss that are permanently part of the tree, to one off vehicles of non- placed / split nations like Lithuania or Canada and even nations that already have their permanent place in other trees but were added to the German tree before that like South Africa or Italy
It’s an interesting feature, but it’s far from a solution. I had a very similar (but not the same) idea a few months ago, but I decided against publishing it here since I figured it wasn’t relevant to the suggestion and more of a nice cosmetic option.
This one is essentially the same, except it removed the “Main” national names in favor of only including nations permanently in the tree.The only exception were organizations they are part of. For example the UK tree could use the commonwealth flag, even if not all commonwealth nations are included, because some are. These might be seen in different trees, like the US, DE, UK, IT, FR and SW trees could all select NATO
I still think this can be combined with the subtree rework, by having name of the the factions be customizable, but still make the research trees national.
Though this might need a bigger rework of the suggestion, since the UI for selecting research trees might not work this way anymore, with it now needing to display all included nations above the customizable nation name/flag, rather than displaying the selected one in the “main” space.
I thought about Gaijins flag selection a bit more, and I feel like there is two main issues I’d personally have.
- It lists all nations in the tree, which just makes the situation of subtrees unintuitive. For an average uninformed player the German national selection might mislead into thinking nations like Hungary or South Africa do not have a fixed home.
- It displays all nations as greyed out unlockable options, including premiums, past events and even unobtainable options like German Italian vehicles. This is simply not a realistic display of progression, since many of those just aren’t available to the average player, while some will never be.
And here’s my rough attempt at an improvement, done by changing just these two things.
The first change is an added colored marking for all nations. The meaning is simple, orange are techtree nations, as in nations permanently placed in this tree. For the German tree this is Germany (in all variants) as well as Switzerland.
All techtree nations are shown, even if they aren’t unlocked, to represent the core of the tree.Yellow means nations that are only present for one-off additions, but not fixed to this tree. For example Canada and South Africa are only shown because vehicles from them are owned, but they are listed under the main tree nations.
When not unlocked, these are hidden. They only show up if a player unlocks a vehicle from that operator.
I’d be interested to hear what others think about possible improvements for it. I do think it’s an interesting cosmetic addition, and could actually be an in-game way to represent the subtree system if done right, something we completely lack right now.
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Looks good. Marking what has a home in that tree and what doesn’t is a good idea, plus the idea of nations not permanently or semi-permanently in the tree not showing up until you have something from them is great.
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The flag change is so pointless unless they’re building up to nation folders.
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I’d also sort flags by time period.
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I wasn’t sure if I wanted to go alphabetical or by time period so I just left the sorting to whatever Gaijin made (no sorting essentially).
But I think what might be good is to sort modern flags alphabetically, still techtree nations and one-off nations separate, then list older flag/nation versions under their most modern iteration from youngest to oldest.