I wouldn’t really say that, for example Thai air is already near complete, leaving the new air additions with:
F-35A/B
F-5TH*
T-50TH*
F-16A eMLU*
Gripen E* (ordered for 2029, probably won’t be added
sooner)
‘*’ → Vehicles that are unlikely to be top tier
I still don’t think that Korea is a good solution though. Instead I think Indonesia is probably a better and far less controversial option, that would also tie into a theme with Thailand.
But specific subtrees aren’t the point of this suggestion anyways, so it doesn’t really matter here.
Why is this such a common thought? South Korea and Japan have literally nothing in common, other than Japan being horrible to them. If South Korea went to anyone, it’d be the US (unlikely, US tree is bloated and still has more to add at every BR), or the proposed United Korean tree. Other than that, I can only really seeing it being what Canada is, a nation shared between nations.
In the next major update, Gaijin will add the Swiss C-3604 to the German tech tree as part of a Swiss subtree.
By itself this is amazing news. It’s a subtree that does help out a lot especially with the higher tiers of the air tree, and the C-3604 specifically is a unique WWII aircraft from Switzerland that’s being added to the main research tree. It’s unique, it’s not locked as a premium and it’s some lower tier appreciation, it’s almost perfect…
Almost…
This, is how they placed it in the tree…
Now to be fair, this is not their fault, it was arguably the most logical possible placement. That is however only because it was the only possible placement.
With all five lines already having a full set of three aircraft besides this one, and foldering it behind some random aircraft arguably being worse, this is the best possible placement for the C-3604.
The implication of this addition now is that the research tree for Rank II of German aviation is full, making it the third full rank of any research tree in the entire game, after Rank II of US aviation and Rank I of German ground.
With the Swiss subtree officially announced this also marks the first official subtree soft banned from receiving researchable vehicles in a certain rank. There now can not be any Swiss ground vehicles in the research tree, outside of an unlikely restructure of the research tree.
Rare event rewards such as the WWI tanks or the Soviet Po-2 make rare exceptions for the 3-per-line rule
I believe this once again proves the need for more space for all involved nations to be able to create a better game with more potential for future growth.
If they moved the Ju-88 C-6 to Rank 1 they could sit the new C-3604 into the attacker line, it makes no sense for it to be in that current position since when they expand Swiss vehicles where are they going to put the D-3801 (1941) and D-3801 (1944)?
Recently in another topic a discussion has been brought up about a similar subtree system. There @PlayedStatue626-live brought up a question that I haven’t really thought about enough until now. That question being about nations that lack any Rank I content.
Currently in-game the only nation without any content in Rank I (and ranks II - III for that matter) is Israel, which is unlocked after unlocking any Rank IV vehicle from a small selection of other trees. This means Israel is unavailable as a starting nation, as well as unavailable for players that haven’t chosen to play America, Britain or France.
However while this is the only system seen in game, it is not the only possible option that could be implemented alongside the reworked subtree system.
I would like to propose a few options for different unlock requirements and see which is preferred by players. This won’t be added to the suggestion, but it will be helpful to know player opinions, and might also help Gaijin should they introduce it in the future.
If I missed any ideas please let me know, these are just all that I could think of right now.
What should the unlock requirement be for nations starting above Rank I?
General Rank Unlock Requirement; Own a vehicle of the necessary Rank from any nation
National Unlock Requirement; Own a vehicle of the necessary Rank from a selection of nations (same as currently in-game for Israel)
Folder Unlock Requirement; Own a vehicle of the necessary Rank from a nation of the same folder
No Unlock Requirement; Immediately start any nation, regardless of what rank it starts at
Actually, do we know if there’s any technological issues with making folders bigger? I know so far the largest folder is 4 vehicles but I’m hoping it can go larger
I don’t think there’s a technical limit, or at least not one we would reasonably be able to hit. For example there is a hidden folder of seven planes in the German tree, for players that researched them before Italy was added.
The only issue with large folders is then to have them make sense. Simply stuffing unrelated vehicles in a folder is really hard to navigate.
I still think there is ways to do that in this specific case, for example by shifting the Panzer III/IV/38(t) folders a bit, but either way I still think having separate research trees for each nation will be ideal so that a proper Swiss tree can be added and not take away the already limited space for new German additions.
It would look something like this.
This would section off the sub TT from the main one and give it some individualality instead of being splattered in the main TT.
I also think you should be able to research a vehicle from the sub TT at the same time as the main, to further give the sub TT there own individualality.
I think I’ve seen you mention your concept in another topic as well.
I like it a lot, reminds me of how nations used to be organized in older versions of the game.
Yeah, I had it suggested like that initially as well. But someone pointed out that it would also split each battles RP earnings more and make research feel slower with that.
So I made a poll about it to see what players thought, and shared research won with 90% of the votes. Generally I’d say this is probably the most convenient for most players, but if this is something more people care for I might redo the poll and see if I can get more than 30 players to vote on it.
Well that confirms my thought that it has no point, it’s the same as a shared research except worse. At the end of the day you still take the same amount of time to unlock two vehicles, except you get them both after a long time instead of having one first and another afterwards
Yeah, I agree just focusing on one vehicle at a time is what most people would want anyways, so it streamlines the process and doesn’t really take anything away.
I just think they should double the rp rewards so you don’t lose anything. It would make the sub TT feel more like there own tree as well, but gaijin wouldn’t do anything that would make the grind better.
Nah, at this point just make the grind lighter, with the folders system nothing would force you to grind the subs so I don’t see why they should be grinded faster than others vehicles… imo the rp cost of vehicles just has to be dropped at higher tiers because the inflation when you progress through a tree is just crazy
Generally I hope Gaijin realizes that the more vehicles are in the game, the less RP and SL each individual one should cost.
But this isn’t really the point of the suggestion since I don’t really have a way to quantify it, and economy changes like that are always very hard to sell to Gaijin as something worth their time and effort.
