Also remember that people who play sim comprise of less than 1% of the player base, making his argument even less relevant
(this is not to say wow sim players should suffer, but using it as an excuse is just ridiculous)
Like that earlier thing about F-14IRIAF. Wow, it’s 13.0 sim. So what? Sim runs on bracket system so people will just dogpile you with better 13.3s anyways.
This is off-topic stat-shaming and goalpost-moving.
I never claimed that I am a Su-39 expert; don’t shove your word into mine.
1- Every Modern ARH slinger has a 13.0 or higher BR in Air RB
2- You want to shove R-77 onto your precious Su-39 and want to have 12.0BR
3- I am saying it is impossible since Gaijin’s balancing doesn’t work like that
4- Then Su-39 will be stuck at 13.0BR with just two R-77 and being forever worthless compared to Premium Su-30s in 13.3BR
Then you are blaming me for being biased and treating me like I have no right to speak on this topic.
Do you always have to learn the hard way?
Regarding OP’s complement, maybe adding a non-IRCCM variant of R-73, like the AIM-9L, and decreasing BR might work better for Air RB.
Instead of adding R-77 and R-27 to make it worthless and useless.
You always act the same.
Back in the Tu-4 discussion, when bomber durability wasn’t buffed, I spaded two Tu-4s and a B-29 in Air RB, but you tried to stitch my mouth shut because ‘You never played in Air Sim, so quiet.’.
And see? Today, you cannot counterargue my take, so you decided to ruin my credibility by stat-shaming.
“Touch fire, and you get burned.” “Adding R-77, then Su-39 is dead.” Simple. right?
It is a basic general truth. It is easy to conclude like this even if you never flew with a Su-39.
When someone discusses Soviet vehicles, you almost always show up, drop biased takes, derail things up, and eventually make the discussion dead.
R-73s most of the time feel like R-60s with thrust vectoring
aim-9Ms most of the time feel like aim-9Ls with IRCCM
until they buff IR missiles like they did radar missiles, the drag is going to make them feel similar energy wise. so the main functional difference until then is maneuverability and flare rejection, that of which R-73s have both
as a sim player your take is dumb…any f14a airframe should be at 12.7-13.0…in sim sensor suites matter alot in the case of f14a the rwr and a high prf only pd radar is matter you cannot ignore…notching a fakour/aim 54 can be done chaffless by just turning away…so i dont see any relevance to saying it is op at its current br…13.7 for air rb is not fair it hould be at most 13.3
i mind 9Ms more consistant that R-73s, though i do prefer AAM-3s, Magic 2s and PL-8Bs. Maybe 9M on a subsonic platform maybe different
a 9m fired at 700km/h can be outrun by subsonics including su25t/39 or the maw equipped su25sm3
Not like Su-39 can just fiddle IRIS-T with that flare count count…
Huh?
It was already mediocre at 13.3
It was only performing well because people suck at the awareness check
What?
Won’t matter
Any Fox-3 that isn’t a Phoenix will instantly bump any vehicle to 13.0 air mimimum
Or 12.3-13.0 ground
Which will not be a buff at all
R-27E will send it to 12.3 air minimum
And ground 12.0 minimum for zero benefit
R-27 will make it 12.0 air and ground for no benefit
Undertiered plane never justified other planes also being undertiered
With 16XL’s current FM I can see it being 13.3
Complaining about facing 12.7 with 11.7 in SIM is pure cope because it can only be his fault for playing that br
?
It’s a very good missile
You just suck
I believe so too, I was just saying that the similarities in how both the SU-30 premiums and the XL are undertiered that the XL isn’t an outlier on it’s own.
If this is a retort its a rather confusing one. If anything you keep shooting yourself in the foot. The recent BR change is clearly GRB:
So why are you bringing in sim fakours?
You literally have 0 relevance to this thread.
According to someone who doesn’t even have 8k matches.
Ah yes, the most knowledgeable of us all!
Notice how the number is purple on the far right ? Means I actually play it better than most other people.
I can understand it’s confusing for the un-informed.
Btw 39 games x (most games last 2 hrs, so let’s assume that’s 5.5-6 air games at worst timing wise)
Since vastly most experience than you. I’ve also play USA a decent bit.
But please do continue the weak arguments you pose because you cannot come up with a valid reason to disagree. (Aka your disingenuous argument)
Having experience in the relevant vehicle is related to the topic as much as you want to disagree. Remember you came in here to argue.
More bad faith comments. Peak as always.
You did that to yourself if anything. Nor have I ever stat shamed anyone. I understand there is different skill levels.
So that’s a lie.
It’s already dead lol. Rarely does anyone play it. They killed it in sim when the new spaa got added, its literal main use was removed.
That’s actually your guys tactics, I don’t shut down topics because I actually enjoy a good debate.
You tried to get these topics shut down:
So to sum up your whole message because I don’t care to reply to the full thing.
No one paid attention to the Mirage-2000D RMV at BR 12.7, but there are only two Magic2 missiles? Bwahahahaha
Tell me you didn’t read my comment without telling me.
Depends on what R-77, and how your using it, and in what vehicle.
But that’s off topic unless your talking in terms of the Su-39
You not touching grass is not relevant to this discussion.
Coming from the guy inserting sim fakours into a grb su-39 thread. Hell, inserting sim as if sim has any relevance to ARB/GRB at all is ridiculous in and of itself.
Buddy didn’t hear of the arh buff last patch.
So called “good debate”
quite ironic, for someone who consistently put words in everyone’s mouths.
Sim stats have 0 relevance in an arb/grb topic.
For someone accusing others of bad faith, you sure have a thing called
and reminder that I already pointed out that only GRB BR was changed for Su-39. You failed to notice this and start acting like you’re correct.
Again, you sure have a syndrome called:
Here, I’ll even provide the August BR changes for you. See if you spot any sim changes.
Planned BR Changes — August 2026 - Google Drive
ironic. Good debate is when you’re wrong, not realizing you’re wrong, then throw a tantrum acting that everyone else is wrong? Have some self awareness.
The irony.
In OP’s post, it literally is not stated what game mode he is referring to. Nor is it set in the tags.
Now we can assume, like you and I are doing.
But as I said previously Su-39 isn’t all that great.
Not that hard to figure out it was grb with the august changes. A middle school student can do this.
There’s nothing to assume. Only BR change relevant to this was GRB Su-39 11.3 → 11.7. Anything else is not relevant. If anything, assuming sim like how you’re constantly doing is worse because 99% of players play either arcade or realistic, not sim. A majority of threads in these forums are also Realistic centric.
