What are you trying to show?
They fly straight instead of arc and maintain their speed better.
Mach 2
Mach 1.8
Also its just max speed numbers. And missile wont be going at that speed constantly
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I also prefer them, because Vikhirs don’t always really kill things.
I just top downed an abrams with about 4 of them. 2 were kinda not well placed, but 2 should’ve definitely killed the tank, and it didn’t.
But again I never have much luck in warthunder, uptiers, shells nonpenning, SL crates, etc etc.
I too would think that but having little over 1.2k, gets rid of that uncertainty. Having almost a kd of 3 for that many games is not luck. I won’t say it’s good skill either, it’s just that easy of a plane to play at that BR.
Again, no hate on that, I’m saying that this plane was better than any CAS for 11.3 by a longshot and how OP is wrong for saying that with this plane being at 11.7 because his argument is that up tiers make this plane useless. To an extent, I agree but that can said almost any plane or helicopter going against advanced IR missiles. The solution to reduce the BR of the Su39 is just foolish.
Partially yes. I was more meaning you seemingly have been luck finding applicable targets / lower skill level spaas. Since most, but not all, spaa users I seem to encounter are smart enough to shoot my HARMs down then just skirt around them to hit me.
Yes, I could fire a Vikhir as well and guarantee at least a trade… but I’d prefer to save as much weaponry as possible to make a pass or two.
I did not say When it gets uptiered it gets useless, I said it gets overwhelmed by the Varity of enemy at this BR range during an Uptier that it faces.
It can be said if this Plane or Heli is justified to be face those.
Uptiering a strike aircraft to face IRIST and SPAA with ARH missiles is foolish no offense, This plane is intended to be Strike aircraft with Armaments that is not as superior or justified to face a superior more technologically advanced missiles from ARH\IR types, Which even if u dodge one or two, It will get shot down eventually by an overwhelming amount of missiles During an uptier, If that is foolish then what you suggest to fix it of not facing top tier SPAA with ARH\IR missiles then?
I got it, Its armament is amazing, acceptable performance, But what about the airframe? The Carrier aircraft weight is also a very important point, if the carrier aircraft is heavy, Not meant for dogfights, Neither confrontation against enemy SPAAs ( that has ARH\IR ).
Again, it’s not really luck when I have 1.2k games on this plane. I have faced very competent spaa players that were able to shoot down my munitions, the issue is that no spaa can come close to su39. I wish there was a stat to tell me what vehicles killed me in this plane, but I can confidentially say rolands/osas don’t take up the majority of my loses.
firing at least 3 consecutive vikhrs can defeat rolands, and firing a bit more can others easily. 16 vikhrs should be enough to get a couple of spaa kills and additional ground targets. use the weapons to get kills when you have the opportunity to do so, don’t save them for the possibility of getting more kills.
that is the essentially the same thing because an su39 cannot compete in uptiers where IRIST and advanced IR slingers are available. though I find ARH slingers not that bad to face, you just need to notch and chaff.
get it back to its 11.3 BR
I’m saying that reducing it back to 11.3 is foolish because I highly doubt you want to see f111f, AV8Bs, etc at a lower BR.
There’s no good solution right now other than to increase the gap between top tier spaa and these aircraft but reducing the BR of them will do more harm because it’ll terrorize everything else in that BR.
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Then why isn’t there also an option to play these jets at much more sensible BRs? Your logic is convenient but not logical.
Did you read the context to that? I was saying to make a suggestion for a Tech tree variant su39 with AAM and the premium stays were it is like the f2a and f2a adtw
not a choice if one option requires AAA game money
That makes no sense at all because it can be a choice
With one of the options, if that’s the one you prefer, costing $60+. That’s not a choice.
Yes it is, just because you want it for free doesn’t mean it’s not a choice
It would be a solid option ngl
keeps the Su-39 at a good br to farm money
but goobers are happy that they get the “better” variant at a higher br
Do you not get the point im making or something
No I don’t, what are you getting at with ur point it costing $60 your pointing out the cost of it? That your point you want it to cost less because it won’t be as good as one with AAM then it can simply be the other way around add a tech tree with out AAM and give the premium one AAM at a higher br
This is just a comparison of air realistic:
This is air simulator:
How can one simply say that it shouldn’t be buffed when it clearly isn’t preforming that well at all?
In both cases, the Su-39 is preforming at 1/2 the rate the A-10C is.
The grounds for giving it an R-27 at the very least are set.
The “should it” get weapons like the R-77s, or R-27ERs argument seems very valid now.
Do you really not understand that Su-39 is not getting R-27s/R-77s without jumping to 12.3 - 13.0 respectively? Do you really believe it will be better at those BRs while constantly facing Gen4 fighters? Not to mention I have no idea why are you even demonstrating stats for attacker(!) in Air gamemodes for which it was clearly is not optimized. Some planes are just not meant for Air to Air combat, no matter what you put on them. It’s a GRB/Sim CAS larp plane, not a dogfight one. ARB is not suitable for it even if you give it R-27s/R-77s, you just get to the battlefield long after everything is already concluded.
Yes A-10 is doing better simply because AIM-9M is better suited for such plane. You know what it gives away for it? It is much worse as CAS plane, to put it bluntly - it is worse in it primary role.
Hmmm yes, a TT plane with 2 mil games people need to grind for vs premium plane anyone can buy with 12 mil games (which i assume its alltime total, not monthly).
Surely only valid conclusions can be drawn here and no wild misinterpretations of alltime stats (which dont reflect its current performance as they do not account for BR changes, new additions etc.) can happen.
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