T58, T26E5, T14, F-14IRIAF, F-14D, F-16XL, Helena, Charles F Adam’s… etc.
I could keep going, but here’s just a few examples of OP as hell vehicles.
T-58 is the only outlier here.
All the SU-30 premiums with six of your second best ARH missile at the same BR make up for the F-16XL, IRIAF is 13.7 now where it should always have been, F-14D is just an F-14B with a full PD radar with no other functional differences.
I don’t play naval so not much input there.
It’s 13.0
They are bad at mega bvr larp (which is impossible on su39 anyway) but neat at closer ranges. Much more reliable than r73 which goes for couple flare pops.
Yeah under 6 miles range an R-77 can be good in some circumstances.
But in my F-4S I’ll just donk you with an Skyflash before your even close.
No?
SHAR FA.2 can also run with 6x Missiles if you ditch BOL pods
4x AIM-9M(Shared pylon with 2x AIM-120 or BOL) with 2x AIM-120B.
And with that loadout… it is limited to 60 countermeasures
It might be true that it needs a better offensive capability
But your solution will eventually BE WORSE FOOD FOR A FIGHTER
In 11.7 you see F/A-18C Early at maximum
But in 13.0, you need to fight against tons of premium Su-30s, and many 4th Gens
You are acting like US Mains who cry for AIM-120A or AIM-9M on their premium Hornet, but on the Russian side.
A single track logic pattern?
Gaijin Balances vehicles like that, no?
‘Ooof, modern ARH missiles, then 13.0 minimum-’
IIRC, both F-14B and D are 13.0BR in Air RB, not 12.7.
So, if you give R-77 on Su-39
No matter how good or bad it is
Gaijin will just shove it into 13.0 BR, and it will be DOA
At this point, I think that line was a self-introduction of yourself
Your pattern about Su-39 is literally the same as those Hornet mains who cope: F/A-18C Early with AIM-120&9M could remain 13.0-13.3BR
When the Finnish F-18C is stuck at 14.0BR with the same capability.
I am telling you that your suggestion will nail the coffin shut on the Su-39
I am wondering why dismissing your biased idea becomes ‘biased’
I don’t give a damn about Su-39 getting R-77 or not by itself
If you really want to get doomed? Then go on, get R-77, be 13.0BR, face tons of 4th gens.
Simple.
There is no way the Su-39 can become a lower BR than 13.0
Because there is precedent.
SHAR FA.2 is literally worse than any 13.0BR jets and worse than AV-8B+ in nearly all aspects
But still stuck at 13.0BR for years.
So if you give R-77s to the Su-39, Gaijin just shove them into 13.0BR. Then it will be worse than now.
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Mate the Tornado GR.4 is a higher BR in air battles and has 2 Aim9M.
Ground attack aircraft are not supposed to be able to beat dedicated fighter aircraft.
It has self defence missiles.
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F-4S don’t have Skyflash
You are lying here.
I mean you really wouldn’t beat them.
Most dedicated fighters get 2-8 SARH or ARH around the Su-39.
Let’s say in the “best” loadout the Su-39 gets…
2 R-60s (pretty much useless)
2 R-77s (best for high alt under 6miles but has some uses at low alt if the enemy fighter messes up).
And
2 R-27s (ER or R) the only real long range usable SARH it would get. If it gets an R-27R it wouldn’t out pace anything fired at it, because almost all it’s competitors go Mach 4.0+.
So the plane would become a noob trap.
Such as the F-14s (expect these are a bit harder to dodge, they can gain a lot of alt and launch many many arhs).
I can interrupt you any moment with r77 and force you to go multipath or notch and lose you missile. Or do the same if su39 gets r27er with datalink. And if you go multipath I can use 16 vikhrs that ignore multipath. And of top of that twin barrel instagib gsh30.
Not that one sided actually.
Also if it gets r27r/er it should get r27t/et as well. So su39 could sneak one or two and catch you off guard.
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Incorrect? Yes.
Lying? No.
Way to try to skew the argument lol. Total bad faith argument on your part.
But thanks for reminding me the F-4S gets Aim-7Fs which are better than sky flashes (pretty much the same missile, but you love to nitpick after all and claim I’m lying)
Won’t really mean much, with detailed modules the plane will lose all combat ability once it gets hit even if it structurally survives.
Can’t use Vikhirs. The R-27s go on the Vikhir pylon.
Just as the R-77s go on the R-73 pylon…
How many times do I have to say this?
I can if I decide to not use r27s. Or could put 1 r27 on 1 pylon and 8 vikhrs on another if its possible irl.
They have completely different burn times and turn profile. This is like acting if an aim-9J is an aim-9L.
R-77s outrange all aim-7 variants post arh buff. Even datamined stats shows this.
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So, you simply ignored why the “Su-39 shouldn’t have the R-77” part and just moved toward the Skyflash front?
It is a simple fact that F-4S doesn’t use Skyflash because we literally didn’t export to the US.
If you didn’t mistake Sparrows for Skyflash
You wouldn’t be called a liar at all.
Think twice before posting a comment instead of knee-jerk posting.
It is quite funny that you call the AIM-7F and Skyflash ‘pretty much the same missile’
Only YOU and Gaijin think like that, and that is why the F-4J(UK) is staying at the same BR as the F-4J/S.
Skyflash is an AIM-7E-2 variant, while AIM-7F is an AIM-7F. And Skyflash is worse than the AIM-7F outside of 5km range.
So, let’s head back to “why we shouldn’t give the R-77 to the Su-39 because it will nail the coffins.” which you ignored. Shall we?
Ah yes, infamous overpowered F-14IRIAF (higher BR than Su-30MK2/MKK) and F-14D (2nd most dogshit arh missile in game only behind another aim-54)
IRIAF argument would’ve made some sense if it were still 13.0.
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I use the Su-25T which is the tech tree version. I get 2 R73’s and 2 R60’s. I also carry 4 napalm and 2 20 mm cannon pods and do alright. You need to side climb and wait for everyone to merge. No one looks up to 25,000 feet after the merge. I drop my napalm from up high and fire the missiles on aircraft at lower altitudes. You just need to relearn how to play it since the BR change. Just my opinion.
I think this post is talking about its GRB br use, not ARB.
Oh hey look I have another follower lol.
Might have better burn time, but it’s ARH capabilities are quite bad.