Dude. Just accept that you were wrong and move on.
Test the climb rates… their acceleration in a straight line is similar, the F-16D will be faster off the line and on the first part of the race, but overall the ADF is better at straight line acceleration if you consider enough distance of course.
I am not disagreeing with you, but the climb rate is a more useful metric for acceleration because it is not as impacted by drag values and because it’s a lot more useful and efficient to climb and then get speed than going to mach 1.2 at sea level.
Another more extreme example, the GR7 accelerates faster than both, but it tapers off very fast after some seconds of flight. (Not that it climbs better unless you force the F-16s to climb at slow speed with it)
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just stop it this was about the acceleration and nothing else
dont you know what a headstart is?
here you have a clip where the 16d didnt had a headstart
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I am not talking about your videos, I did test both back and forth with WTRTI.
Show me the ADF climbing faster than the 16D then
Btw, my whole point is that the ADF/MLU wouldn’t make a great 13.7 and thats where probably they will end up. I also don’t understand why gaijin lowered the 16D to 13.3
you are moving the goalpost to desperatly prove that you are not wrong
this was never about climbrate so just stop
i bet 10 dolars that he will duble down
This is the first time I mentioned the 16D in this topic.
I admit that it doesnt have better speed than the ADF per see, its just that in matches I always leave the F-16As behind when I start my climb, so not only do I get to altitude faster I also get faster speed because its more efficient to do so at altitude (I usually climb to 5000m and stay there to avoid contrails)
If we both do a drag race, especially if we carry weapon load and similar fuel load, the F-16ADF can’t catch up in the climb, because it already can’t on a clean configuration.
Previously, I did not extensively test accelerations between both in a straight line, I just knew that the F-16D climbed better which arguably means it accelerates better.
Now I know if I want to do a straight line drag race against the enemy ADF I will probably lose, but thats hardly relevant for an actual match.
The whole thing started here because he said the F-16D has worse TWR which is wrong, and worse climbrate which is also wrong.
Now he was corrected, and I also learned that the F-16D has higher drag today, I thought all of them had the exact same drag curves and been corrected on saying that the F-16D has higher speed.
Still… I argue that the F-16D accelerates faster because it will go faster in a climb. Sorry for not being as nuanced before.
Are you wrong about your straight line acceleration argument? No
Am I wrong about saying that the F-16D has higher thrust to weight ratio and climbs better? No.
Have a nice day. It’s pointless to keep this convo. We’re both clearly stubborn so high five I guess.
i just lost 10 dolars
You won, I doubled down. But who’s owing you 10 dollars I don’t know.
If anything I would like for the F-16D to stop receiving special treatment at 13.3, there are worse 13.7 planes than it. But that’s mainly for RB
Why shouldn’t it sit at 13.3? It’s inferior to the 13.7 F-16s.
It’s not inferior enough to warrant 13.3. Why not move the OCU there instead?
I think they lowered it because people couldnt stop crying it was garbage because they said it handled like a bus while in reality it has a very small margin of turn performance loss over the 13.7 F-16As while having actually higher STR.
Guess people looked at the stat card and made their conclusions that it climbed and turned much worse than other F-16s.
STR for the F-16D is about 20deg/s, for the block15 is 21.5. Their FM difference in a vacuum is a sidegrade, then the F-16D has the advantage of HMS and higher countermeasures, derby can be worse or better depending on your playstyle.
oh god, @ron_23 can you put some F-16D vs F-16A ADF dogfights here. the 16D gets violated. Still very sure the gap between 16C and 16D is MUCH larger than statshark shows it to be. (statshark also thinks the israli 16C and D are the same weight)
Where did I say the F-16D is better in a dogfight? The ADF also gets “violated” by the block10, doesn’t mean the F-16AJ should be higher in BR over the ADF
What is this topic even about anymore, it’s irrelevant anyways as all adfs are gonna be pushed up to at least 13.3 or more likely 13.7
It was me arguing an ADF with fox3s should b 13.7, and him arguing that they should sit at 13.3
why does it matter? 13.3 and 13.7 are the exact same