I quite frankly dont have much of an issue with the APHE since it only has about 58mm of pen, Russian tanks are immune to it everywhere except the lower armour belt on the side. Even most NATO tanks can soak up enough to be able to get a shot off and killing the SPAA before it finds a funny spot in their armour. APHE balance would honestly make the SPAA completely moot against tanks if it’s actually implemented as APHE irl, which behaves almost identical to plain AP.
Then again we may never know, since the community hates giving up their broken abuse machines
Edit: I forgot to talk about light tanks, but they’re vulnerable in most tiers to even some 20mm SPAAs
1100m/s is actually quite decent and pair this with shots you cant see is quite deadly. Tbf I cant test if the overpressure was fixed properly.
ever heard of a radar and a laserrangefinder?
thats not rlly the point here, but you shouldnt move them down since seeing more superheavy tanks wont help and frontpenning somone with an autocannon is also sth you dont want ingame, if so just move it to 12.0, there you have japanese paper tanks like the tkx and type10, which you can frontpen.
I think its atleast good most light tank which are at 9. sth are there simply bc the mbt´s you will see do have stable guns
pretty much but still if the ammo belt is bugge d you still can die in a t54(tiran 4) whena gepard sprays aphe on you frontplate killing your crew(and it wasnt the reverse bug, since I have checked the clip)
You could also limit them to the default 50/50 belts or air targets 3/4 HE belt. That would increase the time it takes to disable a tank, while not leaving them defenseless.
Also while I don’t think the SPAAGs should lose all their AP ammo, I do think people are being a little dramatic claiming that they would be “completely un-playable” pure missile SPAAs exist and are playable, if fairly boring.
Also adding volumetric to sub-57mm rounds would help a lot, so they stop slipping through gaps in the armour that should not exist.
It’s one of those times where many little things all combine together to make one big ball of annoying and OP: APHE over preforming, autocannons not having volumetric, armour holes, stacking overpressure etc. etc. Fixing those issues would go a long way to solving the issue. But I won’t hold my breath on that.
thats only if 8.3 see a downtier, which they rarely do from my experience. 8.3 - 8.7 is a sweet spot to find light vehicle and soft target. so many HE slinger and light tanks in that BR
The easiest way to make the Sgrt York stay where it is, is by giving it a single tracer in its belt (3/4 are stealth, 1/4 is tracer bullet). It means you can still play it fairly stealthily, but if not played correctly or skillfully CAS will know there is a York firing at them.
Oh lmao i remember the reverse bug, one of the stupidest things to occur this year imo. But yeah thats the spaghetti code at work, in no way shape or form is a gepard penetrating a T54/5. It might be able to button it irl or cripple it, but not straight up do impactful damage to internal components
Broken vehicles exist: Ahh this is so unfaiiir! Bla bla should be moved up bla bla!
Mate the ItPsV Leopard got moved up from 8.3 to 8.7, did it change anything? No. Still broken, so why cry?
Gaijin just can’t remove vehicles just because they are “broken”. With your logic everyone could cry about broken vehicles for example the VT1-2 being at 8.7 with a DM23 APFSDS with 408 mm of pen, with downtier faceing 7.7 br tanks? Is it fair? No. So what? It’s just a game.
Recently even the Flakpanzer 341 got moved up in br from 6.3 to 7.0 because the “broken” APHE shell that had 80mm pen. Did it fix anything? No. Just satisfied some people complaining about it like myself was.
When was the last time you played an spaa that was not upper tier? It can’t have been recently.
I say this because there are many spaa (all below 8.3) with guns that can defend against light and medium tanks. Some, like the m53/59 can pen the flanks of heavy tanks.
Give them only HE ammo and they will no longer be played - especially the slower firing autocannons of 40mm +.
I meaaaaaan they can. There’s tons of WT vehicles that would benefit, not just being removed from the TT, but being removed from the game and refunded to those who bought it.
thats because theyre forced to play like that, which ironically, is the worst way to play these vehicles because by the time you can get an good shot on them, they already have killed 3 of your team mates.
its the reason why the marder does so well as a makeshift spaa. most people arent expecting something to shoot back at them right in the front lines.
actually you shouldnt give them a tracer, the fact they have stealth belts tell me theyre firing hevt shells where as stock yorks can only fire tracer laden belts.
its the reason why the veak when it had hevt (rip the only good swedish spaa) was so dangerous. you could never tell if theyre firing plain he at you or hevt. until the hevt came in and deleted your butt.
Without RWR or a laser guide pod, it is still pretty hard to find SPAA unless they don’t move. And don’t forget SPAA can use air alarm to report the aircraft alt and direction, so even behind the ridge can’t save you, this point I have discussed many times with those who believe just keep low alt is fine.
If I’m right, only US/British have bullpup, which is pretty hard to control now, and also you still need use eyes to find out where spaa is. For CCIP, except SAAB105, MIG15ISH and Buccaneer S.1, is there any plane has CCIP which is under 8.7?
This is a fair point I’ll concede to this, the gepard can be 8.7 just fine
I checked yesterday, not all have CCIP, but all except USSR, China, and Israel have some variation of AGM, some of them are nords which ig are a little worse after all, but most 9.7 jets have at least CCIP or AGMs which is where pangolin arbitrarily wanted it placed, wether or not it was hyperbole I don’t I know for sure.
One is a better AT, one is a much better AA. M247 is the best gun AA in the game, even better than Tunguska’s quad cannons when it comes to the AA ability.
Their AA is no contest, like totally from a different league, can’t really put them in the same sentence when it comes to AA, only one comes remotely close is the PGZ09.