Guys I’ve been told by another player that in dev server the su 27 is finally at 13.0 Can someone verify if this is true? Also, there is a f18 premium for germany at 12.7 and that should greatly improve red team experience.
The Fakour is still an objectively bad missile… I don’t know the average skill level of Sim players but a 20G bomber missile variant that arrives around 10 seconds sooner doesn’t seem all that threatening…
It can chase people down in general. Sure it’s fast, but none of your missiles and avionics allow you to get kills rear aspect against an aware target.
No change yet
But I hope it doesnt happen, because if it does. Then it means no new sim brackets and we need those desperately
Still going to be basically just F-18 vs F-18 still. Which is rather dull for everyone else. Especially if you are trying to play something like the Tornado Gr4 with no radar.
I meant that you won’t know if you’re chasing an enemy or an ally until you get very close, potentially wasting a lot of time.
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Dammit, I really hope they move those planes down. They’re completely useless at the moment and I’m sure that Gaijin can see that nobody plays them. Especially now after the f18 was introduced there is really no reason for the su27 to stay that high in br.
About the f18, yes, you’re gonna get a lot of mirror matches, but the main point is that it’s gonna pump more players into red team, making games at least numerically more balanced.
I still think a 12.3-13.3 bracket is better for the overall game health than moving all 13.3s to 13.0
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You just said that 12.3 i weak against 12.7 and 13.0. How does this improve the game play by making them face 13.3 aircraft?
Why would you care? No body plays red side 12.7 or 13.0 because they dont have team composition. They only have the j8f, f16mlu, mig29, and f4 Ice against all of Nato. Bringing the Su27 down would encourage red side players to play. Over the last 2 years i can only play all vs all nations if i want to play 13.0 or 12.7. There aren’t any red vs blue lobbies.
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I still think we should have something like this:
Or, if extended to 14.3:
Especially 13.3. would still be a troubled spot, because of the small number of aircraft there, but that would regulate itself out by the community, as still 13.0’s will join also lobbies with 13.3 top, and if they don’t want to do that, well, 13.3. will have to wait for 13.7 rotations (which is still better than the 100% uptier to 14.0 they face currently.
Or make a permanent 12.3 - 13.0 bracket. Bring certain planes down to 13.0 due to performance like the Su27, J11, and Su33.
Then 13.3 always faces 14.0. It seems that the greater problem is over performing weapons and flight models at 14.0. The argument should be to nerf the Rafael and Eurofighter to match the more realistic gen 4 flight models it fights. Or we should give it a new br away from the realistic gen 4 flight models.
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Or remove them from the game
If thats the case then why doesn’t red side play 13.0?
Or counter play with R27ET if the Su27 comes down to 13.0
Because they dont want to.
Theres no logical explanation on that
Team composition, there isn’t a plane worth flying on redside 13.0
Because you can also include a 11.3 to 12.3 bracket for them to play
Why should the f18, mirage200 s4/s5, or f14A fight Vietnam tier vehicles?
If you need that much of a crutch play power puff girls or my little poney.
Well firstly, the planes are not balanced by era/date of use, secondly your thinking makes no sense. Currently in ALL the different Br compositions, the planes with the lowest Br are at a disadvantage, that’s why it changes several times a week.
If I take the daily BRs from 9.0, we have 8.3-9.3, which makes 8.3 planes less playable because 9.3 planes are much better. Then we have 9.7-10.7, which makes 9.7 planes less playable because 10.7 planes are much better. Then we have 11.0-11.7, which makes 11.0 planes less playable because 11.7 planes are much better …
Every day and in all the different BRs, there are planes that are less good than the others. I don’t see why having games from 11.3-12.3 or 12.3-13.3 from time to time would change anything.
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In each of the rotations you listed the bottom of the br is at least competitive except for 11.3 vs 12.3. In what way does an f5 beat or mig 23 beat a f18A. EM Diagram?
At 9.7 - 10.7 i can fly 10.0, alot of those aircraft compete well against the 10.7. Most of the trade offs to armament come with worth Flight models at those Br.