The historically buffed AIM-54C is basically even more range, more pulls and less chaff sensitivity than current one.
But assuming the F-14B was moved up in BR with fully modeled Aim-54C. Why would it be especailly deadly in Sim? Would still likely be worse than AMRAAM.
Still, radar cant see side/cold aspect
This discussion is all for nothing. If they’d have any plans of doing something they would’ve done it already like within 2 weeks of introducing 14.0 BR. Also they haven’t changed any SB battle ratings in like 2 years except for a few unscheduled undebated changes. They do not care and the very existence of Air SB seems like a pain in the ass for them.
I was going to ask what the hell is the AIM-7MN. Couldn’t find anything on Google and just two mentions on this forum. But Deepseek knew:
"What are the upgrades of AIM-7M/N over the AIM-7M?
The AIM-7M and AIM-7N are variants of the AIM-7 Sparrow missile, a medium-range, semi-active radar homing air-to-air missile. Here are the key upgrades of the AIM-7M and AIM-7N over the earlier AIM-7M:
AIM-7N:
- Further ECM Resistance: The AIM-7N includes additional enhancements to its electronic counter-countermeasures (ECCM) capabilities, making it even more resistant to jamming and other forms of electronic warfare.
- Improved Reliability: The AIM-7N has further improvements in reliability and maintainability, reducing the likelihood of malfunctions and making it easier to service.
- Software Upgrades: The AIM-7N may include software upgrades that improve its overall performance, including better target discrimination and engagement capabilities.
These upgrades make the AIM-7M and AIM-7N more effective and reliable in modern combat scenarios compared to the earlier AIM-7M."
It just wrong.
Is there accurate information anywhere?
Sorry, I meant Aim-7MH. Basically an Aim-7F/M with lofting. And the Aim-7P adds datalink, IOG, and ECM resistance.
The Aim-54C would get an all-aspect seeker. It was upgraded and the seeker’s features were used on the AMRAAM project.
thats 54C+
and you cant find targets by Phoenix seeker, you need to use AWG-9
No, it was the base Aim-54C that got the seeker upgrade. The C+ was anti-countermeasures.
I think the f14 is in the correct br bracket. It just needs more competitors like the Su27, Su33, and J11.
+1
12.7 vs. 14.0 as a new player is not even a video game.
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yeah at the very least if they dont want to adjust BR, we need a 13.3 lobby.
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I 99% agree with you.
F-14 and AIM-54 isn’t that good.
AIM-54 requires a lot of time to get up to speed and start maneuvering. Even then it’s very easy to dodge kinetically and it can be notched like any other radar missile. If you played an F-14 you know that when you launch AIM-54s, they drop like a bomb, stay under you for a few seconds and then they start accelerating.
Also the F-14 itself has a lot of limitations, the biggest one being a radar with only PD HDN modes.
You can’t compare AIM-54 to AIM-120. You can’t compare F-14 radar + AIM-54 to F-4F ICE radar + AIM-120. F-14 can compete with F-4F ICE in the same way an F-16A ADF or F-15A can, with a much better airframe, but not with AIM-54s. Your whole point was to separate those 2 worlds, right?
R-27ER is an answer, the problem is that MiG-29 and Yak-141 have only 2 of them, have worse flight models and only R-60Ms, no R-73s. Su-27 with 6 ERs at 13.0 would probably tip the scale so much, that redfor would be better at 13.0.
R-27ER is a much better missile than the AIM-54, even though AIM-54 is a Fox 3. ER has less range, but has much better acceleration and is much faster.
AIM-54 may be a Fox 3, but it’s not a medium range missile. It doesn’t pull off the rail at all. Like I said, it’s not an amraam, it’s a fat bomber killer, a flying bomb.
If F-14 pressures you with AIM-54s, you can just notch/dodge the first AIM-54, turn cold and let him get closer, his radar won’t be able to see you and he won’t be able to launch any radar missiles. Once he gets close you lock him with HMD and R-27ER wins it for you with its acceleration and speed.
F-14 may get airspace, but with its radar it’s counterproductive, since now it’s surrounded by enemies and can’t see half of them that are going cold. F-14 can’t really chase people down with its radar, can’t IFF efficiently.
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It’s already better, due to F-4F Ice and others
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I can agree with you. I mean, after all most of the times the real problematic F14 is the IRIAF and I see many people saying that the regular F14 wouldnt be a problem, and even if personally I dont like it, I could still accept the regular F14 staying at their BR. If I could get everything else to change in exchange for leaving the F14 (IRIAF excluded, that one needs to go up) at 12.7, i would still do the change 100%.
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I have F-14 IRIAF, but didn’t play it at all (I hate RWR of the A version). Fakour 90 is way better than AIM-54s. Much stronger motor, much better acceleration and much faster, faster than R-27ER even. You can compare them on StatShark - See All Player, Missile, and Vehicle Statistics and see how huge the difference is between AIM-54 and Fakour-90.
F-14 IRIAF definitely should move up.
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Guys I’ve been told by another player that in dev server the su 27 is finally at 13.0 Can someone verify if this is true? Also, there is a f18 premium for germany at 12.7 and that should greatly improve red team experience.
The Fakour is still an objectively bad missile… I don’t know the average skill level of Sim players but a 20G bomber missile variant that arrives around 10 seconds sooner doesn’t seem all that threatening…
It can chase people down in general. Sure it’s fast, but none of your missiles and avionics allow you to get kills rear aspect against an aware target.