Sd.Kfz.251/21 (Late) for Germany


The Soviets did appear to have captured and serviced at least one example of the later production Sd.Kfz.251/21 with the MG 151/20s, so I will not question the historical accuracy (I would’ve preferred a uniquely Soviet AA such as the ZiS-12, but besides the point).

The issue here is that the 251/21 that Germany has now is an earlier variant with the MG 151/15s rather than the MG 151/20s we see here, and judging by the BR gap of 0.7, Gaijin deems the difference between the two to be quite signifigant.

As such, I would hope that there are intentions to bring the later variant of this SPAA to the German tree, as it would be quite strange for Russia to claim ownership of an objectively better (unmodified) version of an existing German vehicle.

Should the later production version of the Sd.Kfz.251/21 also be added to Germany?
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I’m sure there’s a suggestion for the vehicle you can discuss about there, mods get a bit finicky when stuff like this gets posted to avoid duplicate discussions.

I 100% agree with you though, if the USSR has it, so should Germany

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Is there? Sure couldn’t find a suggestion, or any other sort of discussion for that matter.
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In fact I would’ve posted this in Dev Server "Leviathans", but I guess I’m not allowed to create topics if I don’t have the dev server itself installed?

It looks like it’s not there? (I’m not good at remembering specific gun or cannon names)

If you have the info and sources, why not try make a suggestion?

Seems rather pointless to make a suggestion when the vehicle just got added no? It could even be coming in later renditions of the dev server for all I know, so I’d only create a suggestion after update season officially ends.

Probably best as you say to wait incase Germany also gets it

Its a bit strange that Soviets get a Ger vehicle, which isn’t even in the German TT. Quite unfriendly from the devs.

Also: Russia has so many SPAAs, do they really need a Ger one on top?

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I remember back when the Italy got 30mm track armor on the Tigris, half the German playerbase was up in arms about it haha

These are just a few topics from a quick search, and doesn’t even mention all the Youtube videos that flat out call it the “best Tiger”. Technically true, but it’s still not comparable to an actual production variant of a vehicle that Germany is missing now.

Never mind the best Leopard 2, Germany doesn’t even get the best Tiger! : r/Warthunder

the germans also used track armor on tigers. And they wrre the ones who showed the hungarians a tiger with track armor. : r/Warthunder

Have a look at Hungarian tiger everyone - Machinery of War Discussion / Ground Vehicle - War Thunder — official forum

German Tiger tank additional front armor?! - Machinery of War Discussion / Ground Vehicle - War Thunder — official forum

Part of the difference in reaction is that the Tigris is a standalone pack that demands all the focus on itself, while the 251/21 is part of a variety pack where the uparmored T-34-85 tends to steal the show. Of course, the Tigris is also a family member of one of the most famous German tanks of all time, so I can understand if the SPAA will naturally get less attention.

Still, I do wish people would be a bit more consistent.

Italy is getting the Leo 1A2 as well remember with no German counterpart mentioned at all.

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I created a topic about that in Dev Server section.

Same thing with the Ar 196 A-3 and A-5:

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