Just use missile SPAA
Just use missile SPAA
Most suck balls at it tbh, i can’t remember the last time I took down a drone using a missile SPAA
Maximum effective range for infantryman with 5.56 rifle is 300m against enemy infantry and anyone who ever fired rifle at that range with ironsights will tell you you cant see a damn thing.
Firing commander MG against a fadt flying small drone actively dodging your fire becomes increasingly difficult with range, not to mention you need to score direct hit.
Same applies to any weapon.
What are you talking about, we’re in ground RB forum, not in infantry or ground sim, many guns get the ability to lock on a target and you don’t have to aim using the comander sight
Perhaps i was giving off IRL example? Have you thought of that?
And there are equally as many vehicles that dont have airtrack capability especially considering how early drones can appear.
I want to see some physical nerfs first:
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Make the drones far more fragile than they are currently. It should never take multiple missiles to bring down a plastic drone
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Make their IR signatures more consistant, MANPADs barely lock on (also MANPADs like Stingers are still artificially nerfed, and struggle to ever actually hit a drone, so that needs fixing too)
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Reduce their manueverability, means they cant perform very sharp, rapid turns or at least not without great risk of causing them to stall. Would make hitting them with any weapon much easier
After that, go from there withwise of rebalancing the scouting on them or adjusting the BR that drones are available at.
(also as a side note, for the love of god, give the Stormer HVM its LMMs so that it can actually do something about drones)
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and usually multiple
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one would think why theyre not making personal body armor from the stuff the orlans are made of.
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It would be more effective than most MBT ERA armour we have in-game currently
Perhaps i was giving off IRL example? Have you thought of that?
Very useful when talking about gameplay and balance issues
in a game about real tanks and aircrafts? yeah.
t-6-1 problem solved
every nation has an early spawn spaa, ahead/proxy or a tank that can track the drone and a 50cal to down it with
But… Pre-spawning in an SPAA, just in-case someone deploys a drone (and it really isnt that common), might result in you sat AFK for a while with nothing to do. Likewise at the lower end, you might not have an SPAA that can effectively deal with it. For example, Britain, has nothing but the Skink for 7.3/7.7, which is not ideal for taking them out beyond 1km. If that . Even at higher BRs, more than a few SPAAs cant actually deal with them easily due to issues, such as Stingers being useless against them, if they are too close, the missile will miss, too far away and they wont lock on. Stormer HVM cant hit them under any circumstance, etc etc. Many of the top tier multi-vehicle SAMs are also useless vs them due to min ranges exceeding the distance to the drones by several km.
With how effectively drones can evade, even having a radar-guided SPAAG can make hitting drones basically impossible beyond point-blank range. Tried many a time with the Marksman or Stormer AD and not been able to hit them.
Whilst HE-VT or HE-TF are reasonably common at higher BRs, they are not necessarily down towards the lower end of BRs where drones can be spawned, or even vehicles that can see drones in an uptier.
AHEAD… Might just be a lack of practice, but I find hitting drones with it a total pain in the butt. Even with target tracking.
Likewise, is the same with an MBT that can lock onto a aircraft, Reasonably common at higher BRs, but I dont think exist on anything that low, Im struggling to think of any below 11.3? meaning you are manually aiming an MG at the target, and not everyone even has 50 cals, 7.62mm is far more common CIWS for MBTs, if they have anything more than just a coaxial.
So drones need adjustments, they are problematic threat to deal with unless you, or someone else on your team happens to be in something that can deal with them.
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Both UK and France can see drones with their 7.7 lineups, both lack such vehicles.
Doesnt become common on IFVs until what, 10.3+? And even then there are IFVs at that BR range that dont have such ammo.
There are top tier tanks without this feature, let alone at BRs below top tier. Not to mention withiut proxy fuze youre still relying on direct hit.
Not every nation gets .50cal, and even if they do, once again, they require direct hit.
Also funny you decide to show how easily can people deal with drones by showing clip of tank having BOTH air track and proxy fuze ammo. Do this again woth centurion and then we can talk.
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all of these things are correct, but theres 16 teammates
Not every vehicle you spawn needs to be able to deal with everything the enemy can spawn at any second. Drones start at 8.3 a br filled with autocannons and radar spaa that is constantly abused as tank hunters. And at 9.3 starts the br of proxy fuse auto. You also have access to big proxy in pretty much every tree trough artillery.
Centurions are all, except for the israeli ones, below brs of tanks with drones. Expecting you to be able to take them on fairly is the same as a xm 800 driving into a soviet heavy which it cant damage. Or you in a leopard vs a 8km hellfire at 10.3. There are unfair matchups everywhere, where youre completely useless in your current tank.
Shoot at drones with mgs or kill the carrier is alot more doable than the other matchups
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Exactly, sometimes I’ll be playing 7.7 Germany and bring out the PzH2000 with proxy if I see a drone. Usually killing it. Drones do need a nerf but they aren’t just insanely broke like some other vehicles or mechanics
sure, but that is like adding operator to siege who cant shoot drones, saying its fine since there are 4 other people on your team who can. At some point, you simply dont have enough team mates to rely on.
And, unlike aircraft, only constrain drone has is “dont be shot down”. It doesnt run out of fuel or batter, it can autonomously hover, it doesnt have to rearm.
these still require direct hit, IFVs to my knowledge donthave air track yet and SPAAGs such as gepards still have issue with gun convergence on top of direct hit issues.
York and the chinese PGZ as far as i know. So again we run into issue of “not every nation gets counter”.
SPHs are less than optimal choice for fast scout drone hunting due to terrbile gun handling.
Except 7.7 can see drones in full uptier.
issue is there is zero trade off for having recon drone active. literally no trade off, whereas enemy team has to dedicate resources to take it down.
“Yes, a hit!” drone continues flying
shooting the carrier sounds nice and dandy until hes behind 5 other tanks.
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You can bomb him with CAS, you can flank around.
You dont need to have a trade off. Theres no tradeoff to having a laser rangefinder, or apfsds. Drones are part of the game and the kit that is given to light tanks to support their team. The light tank is the trade off as its easily killed when spotted. Its also not unlikely your team also gets a drone so the advantage you see is on both sides. The issue that teammates might not have scout drones in their lineup are a bigger one if they dont spawn them or they are shot down but thats not the scout drones fault but bad lineup design by teammates.
Which is the same as a tank getting hit and you reload and hit it again. I know that drones can be an issue with how many mg hits they tank but its not impossible to down them.
Meaning again you have a full team to rely on to down them or the sph with proxy in your lineup.
If a drone hovers around your tank it cant spot anything anyway, is easier to shoot down with mg and requires constant attention by the user of the drone meaning they have 1 active player at the moment.
York, PGZ, m1926, Begleit (9.7), Shturm(8.7) guided proxy missile, wz 305, vcc 80/60
All these + all the artillery which sets at 8.0 and below with proxy + rare tanks that get he vt like the wma and ztz 88. So yes every single nation has the capability to down drones. Some better than others. But Spaa while not reliable is also everywhere.
Do i see an issue with drones at 9.3-8.3? Yes there arent enough counters that are readily available but above that everyone can easily deal with them if they want to. And below they are a nuisance but can still be downed by everyone.
m-41d, mars, amx13 hot aswell