It is only you who are having problem looking left and right.
Yes. korean war era subsonics shouldn’t suffer from supersonics.
but, in ‘that way’ which buffing F-86A-5 and MiG-15 down to 8.0 was wild.
it becomes even wilder when THERE IS TONS OF DOMESTIC JETS WHICH ACTS WORSE BUT HAVE HIGHER BR.
If you really thought any about compression and decompression
Sending current 9.3 supersonic to 9.7 and vice versa suits better than
‘just cherrypicks two famous and broken jet and washing mouth’
Yeah but doesn’t change the fact that it’d still face supersonics anyway. Same problem as the Tornado.
But the same problem exists. Even if you split the BRs it just shifts the issues in a different direction.
My mistake. I thought you meant 7.7. 3 minutes can be stretched in a Me 163 considerably unless you’re stuck on a map that’s too large.
Anyone who had to face them in a MiG-15bis or MiG-17 or equivalent wouldn’t call them balanced.
True but the Aspides give a much better advantage in head ons and the 104’s speed is an added asset.
If you looked at the BR brackets as a whole, the differences become insignificant.
Exactly. This needs more traction.
Lmao since when do BRs go left and right ? 😂
You move them back to 8.3 and you’d have to move the entire Sabre family up too yet again forcing them to fight supersonics more often. Buffed or not, no Sabre or MiG-15 has the initiative against a supersonic fighter. You’re stuck waiting for a mistake or looking for third party kills. This isn’t low tier where new players routinely try to turnfight Zeroes and get wasted
And what happens when they’re stuck in 10.7 lobbies with hordes of J-7Ds having 30G PL-7s? Or F-5Cs and F-5As that can outrate and out accelerate them with ease? Fyi you’re the one doing the cherry picking
Me when I see Hunter F.1, which was one of best counterpart of MiG-15bis, MiG-17, CL-13 :(
Even in a world where decompression happens, the Sabres and MiGs will still have to be moved up regardless. In fact, they need to be moved up exactly because of decompression. They went from victims of compression to beneficiaries of compression.
You cannot both argue for global decompression, then argue that the Sabres and MiGs are fine where they are and shouldn’t be touched until decompression happens. They victimize that entire BR spread.
you are completley ignoring other counterparts which suffers against supersonics but rejected to get buff.
Yes please.
It is not only Sabre/MiG-15’s problem. It is every 8BR subsonic jet’s problem.
Yes. You are the only one who looks tree when we need to see the forest.
in same theory about [we shouldn’t buffed F-86 at all but needed to nerf F-104 instead]
if F-104A seeing J-7 became problem, send J-7D and other 10.7 into 11.0
If J-7D seeing F-4S becomes a problem, send F-4S and the other 12.0 into 12.3 and so on.
I just can’t get why the f- are you so obsessed about keeping sabres safe and sound in 8BR
While Mystere and Scimitar face T-2 and gets AIM-9P shot.
None of the 7.7 and 12.7 jets are fine where they are because of compression which has been my point all along. You move them up or down you’re creating a whole new set of problems.
So, Keeping the sabre and MiG-15 abuse all along in downtiers because moving them will create other problem?
How clueless you are.
And how do we solve compression? By moving the offending vehicles up. That’s literally the only way to do it. Not sit around and wait for a global decompression that’ll never happen, while loudly arguing against any stepwise decompression.
You should be arguing that the Sabres/MiGs need to move up, as well as the various supersonics at 9.3, and the ones victimizing them, etc. Not digging in your heels and preventing any movement unless it’s perfectly equitable across the board.
As usual, wrong. Yet again buffs would not help against the overall compression except in downtiers which are not most games.
So why do you want buffs that’d make them op in downtiers without the necessary decompression to balance them out first?
So then they start facing Mirage F1C-200s, MiG-23MLs and MLDs and F-4S far more often which would make them major strugglebuses since they only have rear aspect IR missiles.
Roflmao. The F-4S already suffers having to face the Hornet and F-16s on a regular basis and now you want them moved up even more? 😂
Wrong again. I’m trying to show you that it’s meaningless in the face of overall compression.
Now put those two down in BR and see what they face and whether they’d be op or not against them.
The global decompression isn’t happening because for every one post asking for decompression, new modes and better maps, there are a hundred begging “gaijin when (insert vehicle here)”. I’d rather not settle and waste time on bickering about which fighter is op or useless which goes nowhere.
If they did move up, they’d be another bunch of players here crying about how the Sabres and MiGs are useless against the supersonics they’re facing way more often. Why? Because that’s exactly what was happening before the buffs and downtiering. What are you solving with this at the end of the day?
Man, Gaijin buffed F-86 and MiG-15 last year.
the shot has already been fired.
It would be all fine if Gaijin never buffed Sabre last year, but decompressing with nerfing some of the supersonics instead.
You even know that buffing one down is not a proper solution.
Then, did you come here just to argue and disagree for disagreeing?
Better than let those shameless scums enjoy their fun all alone while other counterparts still being useless against supersonics for years.
If every korean war subsonic jets suffers from vietnam era supersonics with no exceptions it will be fairer than giving ‘some’ a 'special treatment’
You nerf those supersonics that the Sabres and MiGs face and those supersonics become horribly inferior against what they’d face in an uptier… 🤦
So everyone except you needs to be miserable playing jets in uptiers. That’s your “solution”…
You don’t seem to be interested in improving jets overall. You just want “your” jets to function in a way that suits you
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So instead of gradual, slow decompression, something which is attainable, you’d rather argue that nothing should move until everything moves, which is impossible. You are, quite literally, arguing for status quo here.
I’m decompressing the 7.0-9.0 bracket, making it so that every non-Sabre/MiG plane in that BR is more playable. And the only cost is to put Sabre/MiG players on a equally bad playing field to the planes they’re currently dominating. And when that’s done, I will move my efforts on to uptiering the MiG-19, F-104 and others that dominate the 9.3 BR bracket.
Yes, there will always be people clamoring to downtier objectively strong vehicles, either because they can’t make them work or they just want them to be better. The solution isn’t to just give up, but to join the chorus of people asking for the opposite.
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“oh no we can’t buff the OTHER 90% of jets, only these TWO SPECIFIC ones!”
but then you say:
Ya, cause you keep giving the MiG-15/17 and F-86 special treatment.
And? Like the rest of their PEERS do? how have you not seen what we’re saying yet
If you do this, then gaijin will have to buff or nerf aircraft separately outside the BRs being decompressed.
Why is this impossible? We don’t know what resources gaijin could bring to bear to address it. I’m not arguing for the status quo but for overall change.
Then everything outside it suffers for god knows how long it will take gaijin to decompress the rest of the tree. Better to have an overall plan laid out to decompress all of it instead of doing it piecemeal.
No the solution is to ask for overall decompression and make sure gaijin has a structured plan for all jets. Not just one BR bracket.
Like their peers currently do? Said peers: