Have you tried remembering that the majority of games you’ll play will be uptiers and these are fair comparisons to make?
Yes and for the 50th time, compression.
Pot calling the kettle
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*Sabre
Gaijin and ‘Them’ will see no problem as long as there are only 3 of 10 can’t access any of Sabre and MiG-15/17
(French/Brit/Jew)
“Did someone force you to play R2Y2 when you can play F-86F??? Stop whining.” reaction will comes up. (probably)
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Why do you think the F-86/MiG-15/MiG-17 deserve special treatment over their peers? They were the STRONGEST jets at their OLD BRs BEFORE downtiering. :)
Read above. PEERS. PEERS. PEERS.
This made no sense :)
The only treatment needed here is decompression. Go back to the tech trees and put them up against lower and higher BR fighters they’d face in battles if they were uptiered or downtiered and see what happens before commenting again or you’re wasting everyone’s time.
Already addressed you and @Ion_Protogen. READ. READ. READ
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Bollocks. Why the hell Sabre and MiG-15 need special treatment while there are plenty of other early jets like Mystere, Venom, Swift, Scimitar rot in [F-104A/C and T-2] hell?
It is just extremely ridiculous that you bring ‘we shouldn’t nerf them because it is ridiculous to face supersonic’ theory only for biasing ‘the sinned twins’.
Decomps?
I think you don’t know what ‘decompression’ is.
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Put this exact argument to someone who flies 7.3 and 7.7 jets and has to face the Sabre and MiG-15 and see what happens. Why are you looking at jets and BRs based on your own personal biases instead of compression as a whole which is the real problem here? I hate where the J-7D and F-5C are right now. The F-5C feels inferior compared to the J-7D but I’m still looking at the problem objectively instead of favoring one aircraft over another.
Increasing the number of BRs and distributing the fighters accordingly duh? Prepare better replies than weak insults
Ok, but why is it that the F86s and MiGs are all 0.3br lower than their peers?
I read through your posts and nothing really explained why the f86 and mig deserve special treatment over other jets.
I know what the expression means, it just doesn’t work here.
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I won’t waste my time on you again to explain what happens if they do go up. Read my response to Ion Protogen
Never said that even once. My focus has always been overall decompression for jets. Read again.
Your first reply to me was a sarcastic insult. Yet you accused me of being unreasonable.
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Your defence about Sabre/MiG-15 sounds opposite to that.
If you really don’t want to get your F-86 sees MiG-21F or F-104A
Then, in a decompressing way, extend the top BR into something larger than 14.0
and place the current 9.3 supersonics higher than now.
Then why the hell are you defending F-86, which is one of the nastiest 8BR jets that creates another compression over compression?
This makes no sense.
You don’t get it? The problem is these two were the ONLY jets given this treatment. YES they will suffer if they go up, just as EVERY PEER OF THEIRS DOES WHO DID NOT RECEIVE A DOWNTIER LIKE THE MIG15/F86 DID
Do you really not see how you are directly implying it when you defend the mig15/f86 downtiers and say “but oh my god what would happen if they saw 9.3?” as if their PEERS don’t STILL have this issue. You’re also aware that downtiering stuff causes compression so idk why you don’t just realize the solution here is to FIRST uptier the MiGs and F86s BACK to where they BELONG and THEN DECOMPRESS so that ENTIRE BRACKET suffers less as a result.
So after all this you agree with me that compression is a problem and then still harp on about the Sabres and MiG-15s 🤦
Where am I defending any one jet? Read my response to Ion Protogen. In every case I point out how compression is a serious problem regardless or moving up or down in BR.
Yes exactly, compression. You still haven’t figured out that you’re agreeing with me while still crying about the Sabre and MiG over and over as though they were your first born.
Wrong. Already explained why and decompression needs to happen first. You don’t start building a house without setting a foundation first
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Man, even Alvis in a bad mood makes a better claim than this :/
Both F-86 and MiG-15/17 were among the best subsonic jets in 8.0-8.7 BR radius before they got shameless buff which creates another compression by Gaijin last year.
Gaijin buffed them because of 9.3BR supersonics like Su-7, Q-5A early, and F-104A
AS SPECIAL TREATMENT for those famous two.
If Gaijin really wanted to solve 9.3BR supersonic in ‘lame buff which will create compression’ way
Every other early jet which suffers from 9.3BR supersonic should’ve buffed in same patch.
But nuh uh, only Sabre/MiGs got special treatments.
in the name of ‘not enough stats’ bullshit.
It seems all WT players are equal, but US and USSR are more equal than others.
I sincerely don’t understand how you can be aware of compression, aware of decompression, AWARE of how the mig15/f86 are simply better than the other jets at the same BR as them, and still think the current status quo is fine.
So what about the G.91, Venom, Javelin, Swift, MD.450, MD.452, SMB2, F-86K, Me-163, Ki-200, Hunter, etc in the meantime? Because all of these are = to the F86/MiG
According to sabre problem,
I can’t wait to see AV-8A/C get buffed down to 9.3BR because they are subsonic and shouldn’t face furious supersonic jets like MiG-21SMT
While Harrier GR.3 pays british tax and goes up to 10.0BR because F3H Demon can’t fight against AIM-9G spam.
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The key word here is “supersonics”. Any player with half a brain can dunk on Sabres if they use their energy advantage. Compression is still an issue and you’re still looking at the trees instead of the forest.
Then every jet they’d face in downtiers would suffer even more. 🤦
Lmao tinfoil hat much?
That is why F-86 and MiG-15 never should’ve get buffed at all.
That is my line.
Have you actually been reading my comments? In literally the first one I say that 7.7 to 12.7 suffers from compression. Does that sound like me agreeing with the status quo? You can harp on and on about the Sabres and MiGs all you like but moving them up or down will just cause the same problems in a different direction.
Then they’d suffer against those supersonics 🤦. Why are you having such a hard time looking both up and down the BR brackets?
Lol what? You’ve been quoting two specific fighters this whole time while I’m calling out gaijin for multiple BR brackets yet I’m the one missing the forest?
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Decompression issue, but it’s still objectively better than the questionably BR’ed Mig-15. It’s equal to the bis, so it should be the same BR.
Yes, but there shouldn’t be objectively and considerably better planes at the same BR.
The only props they face are either overtiered or very good. Props also don’t exist at 7.0, so all Me-163s and the Ki-200 are not undertiered at 8.0. They have less than 3 mins of fuel at full throttle too.
But they’re a side grade of the Mig-19s, and their BR should reflect that. Right now they are balanced at 9.7 in my opinion, and 10.0 would overtier them.
And that’s not as much of an issue, since most planes at 10.3 are supersonic and have some sort of decent missile.
I agree, but that doesn’t mean that under/overtiered planes don’t exist.
We really need to be at 16.0 max BR by now.