Great jet terrible matchmaking nuff said… Im just leaving matches when all I see is mig 21 's mig 23’s and various other supersonics or subsonics with 18+ G pull missiles … Like I can deal with Starfighters in it but now thats literally the least of its worries I shouldnt be praying for the enemy to only have F-104’s in any Saber
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about the only place a saber is actually going to perform well from what I’ve seen is ground battles
they ok in it but its not much diff then props with bombs but for sure dogfights great there because no markers or camera tracking so its all on you and what your jet can do
just liek every other plane or even vehicle ingame
they are great in a downtier but terrible in an uptier
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F-86s are already some of the most undertiered rank 5-7 jets.
Sabres do EXTREMELY well in air RB when flown by capable pilots.
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35mm said No
No aircraft between 7.7 and 12.7 in the current BR system is undertiered or overtiered. Moving them up and down in BR is just going to shift the meta in a different direction for their BR range. Understand that this is compression causing all the problems. There’s no point saying anything in that range is op or crap until gaijin takes a long enough break from counting their money to decompress jet air RB
That’s really funny dude. I think I understand what you mean, that BR compression is just massive, which is true, yet there are still just undeniable undertiered/overtiered jets. Wnat me to start naming them? I can name probably a few dozen out of place.
Here’s your first hint:
the F-86 is one of the undertiered jets
F-86A-5
F-86F-25
F-86F-2
F-86F-30
F-86F-35
F-86F-40
CL13 Mk5
CL13 Mk6
are all undertiered as a start, strictly speaking relative to their peers and not referencing their matchmaker as a whole.
(This also applies to the MiG15/MIG-17 series of jets currently)
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Sure name them
Check the edit, that’s just a few examples
They’ve never solved 8.0-10.0 compression… MiG19 was capable to be 10.3 at old meta, having a 10.0 should be okay, but they compressed the whole thing towards 9.3…
They will say it’s super tiring to defend and hide their butt… At the same time one tapping the sht out of brainless ARB players anyways…
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F-86A-5 : Ok this is undertiered. Let’s move it up by 0.3 and-- oh no, now it faces things like F-104A, early MiG-21s and MiG-19s??? Who could’ve guessed that ? 😱
F-86F-25 :
Oh this definitely undertiered. Scooch it up by 0.4. There that’s perf— oh no, now it has to face even more uptiers to face early MiG-21s and other supersonics that it can never catch? Shocker! 😱
F-86F-2:
Oh yeah. Definitely undertiered. What’d happen if we just-- oh no, it has to face the F-4C Phantom and other afterburning supersonics??? Well that just sounds like a fair match don’t you think?
You see where this is going?
This is so dumb I’m not even going to address it.
You absolutely should look at the matchmaker considering that the majority of games you play will be uptiers.
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Ah I really love this forum when shameless sabre gangs cope hard enough with ‘it is overrated!’
Laughs in Vampire and Meteor
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Yes. It’s by far one of the best 8.0 planes, and it never should’ve gone down to begin with. The F-86A should be 8.3, along side the Mig-15. Everything else should be balanced accordingly. Is it really fair for it to be at the same BR as the vampires, meteors, and only 0.3 higher than the Tunnans to F-84Gs?
Undertiered: J-7D, J35XS, Mig-15bis ish, Lim-5P/Mig-17PF, and a few more
Overtiered: F-4J UK, Vampires, Meteors, Me-163/Ki-200, Mig-23BN, (soon to be) Q-5A and L, F-104S ASA, F-104G and S
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Every single example you gave will be either op if it went down or garbage if it went up. Aka compression. Put each one up against -1 and +1 BR aircraft and the problems become obvious.
The J-7D is roughly equal to a Mig-21Bis so it would be fine at 11.0.
The Mig-15bis ish is a very slightly worse mig-15bis, so it would have no issues at 8.3.
The Mig-17PF is a direct upgrade to the Mig-17 at the same BR.
The J35XS is too low for 10.3 when compared to the BRs of something like the T-2, F-1, F-104J, or even A-5C.
The F-4J UK is worse than any other 12.0 plane, and it wouldn’t be OP at 11.7.
The Vampires and Meteors are both overtiered at 8.0 because of their slow speed and poor acceleration.
The Ki-200/Me-163 are 7.7/8.0 planes at 8.7 for no reason. The standard Me-163 is 8.0, and it is nearly identical, and not OP.
The Mig-23BN is worse than the F-104A, Mig-19, F-100, and the Q-5s (9.7 planes)
The Q-5s are subsonic at sea level with no missiles, and gaijin is pushing them to 10.0. The A doesn’t even have a proper rwr.
The F-104S asa is an 11.3 plane at 12.0. Compare it to the properly placed J-8B and you’ll find that they are equal.
The F-104S’s and G’s are worse than any other 11.3/11.0 plane, and should be adjusted accordingly.
There’s also the 11.7 tornados which are no different than the 11.3 tornados in air RB.
Obviously compression is an issue, but that doesn’t mean stuff isn’t overtiered/undertiered.
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Personally, I don’t think F-4J(UK) will be OP if it goes down to 11.7 when MiG-23ML stays 11.7 and F-16A/18A hits 12.3
In current compressing shitness.
“All jets are equal, but some jets are more equal than others.”
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I’d say it has a slight edge over the bis but now it starts facing SARH fighters more often. It’s only advantage is high climbing and hammering down which now becomes impossible. I hate where this fighter’s at currently too but uptiering makes it much more vulnerable
Same problem as the bis. Starts facing 9.3 supersonics.
Still faces Mach 2 capable supersonics and the occasional R-60 slinger like the Yak-38. Both versions suffer.
Goes back to the same problems it had before: fighting SARH slingers and all aspect IR missiles with only 12 flares. Uptiering could work if they reverted the FM nerfs
Drop them there and they start facing props way more often. So no.
Partially agree. Still wouldn’t change the fact that it’d suffer as much as any other Phantom even in a 0.3 uptier
It’s far faster than the Sabres, CL-13s and MiG-15s it’ll face in downtiers. Compression
But if you keep them where they are they outaccelerate MiG-15s, CL-13s and Sabres without even trying hard. Compression again
Same problem as the F-4J (UK) even if you moved it down with the added problem of it facing 10.3s and 10.7s with Aspides. The J-8B is in the same boat.
So then they start facing 10.0s and 9.7s most of which they’ll outaccelerate. See Q-5 problem above
All Tornados suffer irrespective of where they are.
See? In every case compression rears its ugly head. We need to stop blaming so and so fighter for where it is and collectively ask gaijin for decompression. These jets will be miserable to play until then and these kind of discussions will go nowhere
Have you tried comparing it to its actual peers and not jets 1.0 br higher
Have you tried comparing it to its actual peers and not jets 1.0 br higher
Have you tried comparing it to its actual peers and not jets 1.0 br higher
do you
This definitely makes you look super reasonable.
The Sabres are probably one of the most comfortable jet families in the game to play at that tier. Their combination of great speed and agility give them options against practically everything they fight, and certainly much better than their contemporaries.
That’s the part that sticks out to me. So many people are crying out that if they moved up, they’d suffer from facing the 9.3+ powercreep, as though that doesn’t hold true for literally every other jet at the BR range, most of whom are catagorically worse than the Sabres.
The F-86-F2 is at the same BR as the Mystere IV, for reference, a plane that has literally zero advantages over it, and is even worse in the same uptiers that people claim “balance” the Sabre.
Seriously, name any other fighter in that BR range that is competitive with the Sabres and/or does better in uptiers than the Sabres, and isn’t a MiG-15/17. I’ll wait.
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