So, Keeping the sabre and MiG-15 abuse all along in downtiers because moving them will create other problem?
How clueless you are.
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And how do we solve compression? By moving the offending vehicles up. That’s literally the only way to do it. Not sit around and wait for a global decompression that’ll never happen, while loudly arguing against any stepwise decompression.
You should be arguing that the Sabres/MiGs need to move up, as well as the various supersonics at 9.3, and the ones victimizing them, etc. Not digging in your heels and preventing any movement unless it’s perfectly equitable across the board.
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As usual, wrong. Yet again buffs would not help against the overall compression except in downtiers which are not most games.
So why do you want buffs that’d make them op in downtiers without the necessary decompression to balance them out first?
So then they start facing Mirage F1C-200s, MiG-23MLs and MLDs and F-4S far more often which would make them major strugglebuses since they only have rear aspect IR missiles.
Roflmao. The F-4S already suffers having to face the Hornet and F-16s on a regular basis and now you want them moved up even more? 😂
Wrong again. I’m trying to show you that it’s meaningless in the face of overall compression.
Now put those two down in BR and see what they face and whether they’d be op or not against them.
The global decompression isn’t happening because for every one post asking for decompression, new modes and better maps, there are a hundred begging “gaijin when (insert vehicle here)”. I’d rather not settle and waste time on bickering about which fighter is op or useless which goes nowhere.
If they did move up, they’d be another bunch of players here crying about how the Sabres and MiGs are useless against the supersonics they’re facing way more often. Why? Because that’s exactly what was happening before the buffs and downtiering. What are you solving with this at the end of the day?
Man, Gaijin buffed F-86 and MiG-15 last year.
the shot has already been fired.
It would be all fine if Gaijin never buffed Sabre last year, but decompressing with nerfing some of the supersonics instead.
You even know that buffing one down is not a proper solution.
Then, did you come here just to argue and disagree for disagreeing?
Better than let those shameless scums enjoy their fun all alone while other counterparts still being useless against supersonics for years.
If every korean war subsonic jets suffers from vietnam era supersonics with no exceptions it will be fairer than giving ‘some’ a 'special treatment’
You nerf those supersonics that the Sabres and MiGs face and those supersonics become horribly inferior against what they’d face in an uptier… 🤦
So everyone except you needs to be miserable playing jets in uptiers. That’s your “solution”…
You don’t seem to be interested in improving jets overall. You just want “your” jets to function in a way that suits you
So instead of gradual, slow decompression, something which is attainable, you’d rather argue that nothing should move until everything moves, which is impossible. You are, quite literally, arguing for status quo here.
I’m decompressing the 7.0-9.0 bracket, making it so that every non-Sabre/MiG plane in that BR is more playable. And the only cost is to put Sabre/MiG players on a equally bad playing field to the planes they’re currently dominating. And when that’s done, I will move my efforts on to uptiering the MiG-19, F-104 and others that dominate the 9.3 BR bracket.
Yes, there will always be people clamoring to downtier objectively strong vehicles, either because they can’t make them work or they just want them to be better. The solution isn’t to just give up, but to join the chorus of people asking for the opposite.
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“oh no we can’t buff the OTHER 90% of jets, only these TWO SPECIFIC ones!”
but then you say:
Ya, cause you keep giving the MiG-15/17 and F-86 special treatment.
And? Like the rest of their PEERS do? how have you not seen what we’re saying yet
If you do this, then gaijin will have to buff or nerf aircraft separately outside the BRs being decompressed.
Why is this impossible? We don’t know what resources gaijin could bring to bear to address it. I’m not arguing for the status quo but for overall change.
Then everything outside it suffers for god knows how long it will take gaijin to decompress the rest of the tree. Better to have an overall plan laid out to decompress all of it instead of doing it piecemeal.
No the solution is to ask for overall decompression and make sure gaijin has a structured plan for all jets. Not just one BR bracket.
Like their peers currently do? Said peers:
You mean like how the F-86 and MiG-15 are CURRENTLY? Insanely overpowered?
No, I’m pointing out how meaningless it is and that uptiering will have ripple effects all the way to 12.7 because of how bad the compression is right now.
See above
You move them up and they start struggling hard. Why do you only look in one single direction?
Like the:
You mean like all these jets that are worse or equal to the F-86 or MiG-15?
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Why do you not see that when they downtiered the MiG-15/F-86 as of LAST year that the MiG-15/F-86 were the BEST jets at their OLD BR and they DIDNT downtier anything else that needed it MORE than the MIGs and sabres?
The buffs, in face of the overall compression…
Sweetie you’re the one who’s been consistently failing to understand the most basic point of my argument which is that moving up those two Sabres and MiGs means the entire rank of aircraft will have to be adjusted causing problems to shift in a different direction. There’s nothing for me to defend here. I don’t favor one jet over another. Unlike you I’m able to control my impulses and keep my personal biases in check.
So when you run out of anything meaningful to say you turn to elitism and insults. Classic. FYI I do play air RB but only at the higher tiers because props take too long.
all these ppl fighting about compression when the one and done solution is to just shrink the matchmaking range to 0.7
Not at all. It’s a very simple formula. Look at a BR bracket. Find the planes that dominate it. Move them up. Choose another and repeat. There will be niche cases that this doesn’t cover (IE planes that are incredibly difficult to balance), but those can be dealt with case by case. Ideally, you want the BR bracket to be balanced, even if that means some planes within it are objectively worse than the average. Far better than a balanced BR bracket with planes that are better, which get to dominate it.
Because this issue has been shouted from the rooftops for years at this point, even partially leading to the review bombing campaign two years ago, and it has achieved almost nothing. The closest we’ve seen to a win is the all aspect missile being moved up. That’s it.
Gaijin occasionally raises the maximum BR, but only to accomedate new vehicles being added at the higher end. Gaijin has zero intention of a global decompression. I have my theories as to why.
So rather than taking the win, you want everyone to suffer until the impossible happens? Again, based on the entire history of the game, we’re not likely to see global decompression at any time soon. The closest we can come is to move select problem vehicles up, and you’re dismissing that as not good enough. The result being that no improvements are made and everyone continues to suffer.
See above.
According to illogical Gaijin logic, f-86a-5 is one of the weakest vehicles in 8.0BR, which should be buffed further down to 7.7
in a similar level of Vampires. :/
In Gaijin’s balancing.
British, French, and Jewish people pay taxes for playing too good
US get subsidies from those taxes being played too badly.
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