Damn , it went from miserable to suffering. I guess reading is hard , might as well call me a Anti-Nato cause I main USSR
…so according to you Ariete is better than T-80BVM, because it has better gun depression and reverse speed, since apparently armor is irrelevant now…?
Of course Top Tier is all about weakspots- but there’s a difference between having to aim for a 3-pixel-sized weakspot or being able to reduce to atoms a tank by point and clicking on its general direction.
I’d like you to tell me where exactly I’ve claimed Russia to be “too OP” when all I’ve done is to say that stating that it suffers is as bad as saying that it’s OP.
No. The problem here is not players who attempt to provide objective analysis of actual concerns to solve legitimate issues. The problem is players who claim that their favourite toys/nations “suffer” or “are miserable” when they do not.
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not gonna lie i saw Russian main saying Ariete better than T-80BVM before.
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Missing the point
Being able to not have to babysit your missile as it flies in to take out a target is infinitely more valuable than reliability or pen.
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Reading is hard and again , you could call me name and stuff to defend your point rather than start putting words into my mouth
You literally made comment about that. If not in this thread then another thread, you got a reputation buddy. Also if all that Russia got good stuff in A,B,C and D doesn’t speak anything then sure. Be my guest
But here the thing , the OP can back it up. Sure he ignoring the strong point of the T series , that doesn’t mean his point is worthless
I don’t give a damn about “reputation”. You are only showing prejudices based off “reputation” instead of actually documenting yourself before drawing conclussions. And then you say “I put words into others’ mouths”…
Now comes the part where you bring a post I made in 2021 calling Russian tanks OP because, back then, they were. I don’t think they are at this point in time, as I have stated repeatedly on these Forums; but they USED to be years ago, yes; back when they did not have many of the counterparts they currently have, back when their ammoracks were bugged and would not detonate more than half the times (fixed in late 2023), and back before autoloaders were modelled as modules.
So no, me saying that Russian tanks were OP many years ago does not mean or imply that I think they still are in 2025. The game changes, situations change, and so does my opinion, obviously.
Here, some examples of me “claiming that Russia is OP”;
You can’t just claim that “Russia is miserable” when Italy, Israel, France and Great Britain exist. Russia has unmatched SAM via Pantsir, great CAS with KH-38 carriers, great Light Tanks like 2S38 and BMP-2M with great darts and ATGMs, and numerous highly resistant and more than decent MBTs. Sure, they aren’t Strv 122s, but they are still better than a good portion of the other nations’ MBTs.
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By the time you guide those 12 Vikhrs in, FnF helicopter already reloaded like twice.
Do they even care about them?
The only thing they care about is how miserable they are
and blame Strv122/2A7 for it.
You can’t reason with the people who can only use the same excuse such as
Muh Gun depression.
Muh Reverse.
Muh survivability.
and every defeat
blame Strv122 and Leopard.
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We need Ariete meta to be honest.
Ah yes , it is always “You are wrong and biased while we are right and godlight”. It is ok for Ark boi and other to complain about US being weak BUT the moment you start talking about how bad USSR is he start shaking and calling name and pointing finger. Gotta love how Ger/Swed have not once being mentioned but bro gotta do it anyway cause he have nothing else to add in this conversation. Wait what do you mean talking about tank and it stats and performance is a good way to judge a tank good or bad ? Don’t you see how bad other nations are ? The other nation suck mean USSR have no right to be this or that
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I have stat and K/D to back it up
are you?
And again , you could call me name and it is a better way than
This does not add anything to the convo and proof nothing
RU tanks are good but surely aren’t the best.
Some countries have much worse tanks that should be buffed before RU ones.
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Prove that i didn’t pull it out of my a*s “without reasons”
I understand that but just like another thread about RU air being mid. If you feel like the need to call out other nation being weak, clearly you don’t care, make a thread about it. It is a problem then feel free to make thread and talk about it cause it help the game , not coming into A nation and bring up B,C and D nation to avoid talking about the main problem. The dude did it before and he doing the same thing.
So what are you trying to prove in here ? Add nothing beside “RU main and their reasons why their main suck” then pull out stats card ? All yap no bite
What I do not understand is what people claiming that Russia suffers/is miserable/whatever want.
What is it that you want? What do you seek?
When people make threads about other nations, they bring out legitimate concerns and suggest fixes. Challenger 2 LFP spall liners and many other armor and survivability issues, Challenger 2’s first-order ammorack size and replenishment speeds, Leclerc and Merkava’s underperforming armor concerns, Chinese MBT missing spall liners and armor holes, Type 10’s mobility issues, Abrams turret rings and turret armor, Ariete’s whole existence…
And then we have this; a thread claiming that Russian MBTs are miserable because… because they have the gun depression and reverse speed they have in real life? What should we do? Make their gun clip through the hull to remove one of their only downsides? Give them an artificially fast reverse speed? Add T-14 Armata? What’s the goal of this?
It would be fine by me if T-90M and T-80BVM got 3BM59 if it happened to be better so that Russia got a firepower increase; or if Russia could get slightly faster reload speeds to help them in the meta as long as these new reloads were realistic (same goes for China). But I can’t see what else can be done here. A second and improved T-80BVM was leaked and is likely coming soon, that will be a significant boost to the lineup.
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maybe because if they don’t thread like this probably don’t exist?
it like someone post thread about how Sweden top tier tanks miserable while they don’t (yet i never saw one which is good)
It mean the nation does not give a good gaming experience. Not because the nation is weak, all those weak point being mentioned by OP does exist but that doesn’t mean they are weak. Funny how one side trying to downplay it and one side make it out to be the strongest tank line in the game. If you guys can’t even stay in the middle why bother talking about vehicle balancing ?
Because no one care. Literally no one care enough about other nation unless they are the big three. That why minor nation player are that good. These are real and important issue yet barely any thread about this. But no one care so cope seeth and mald. There should be more attention yet no one talking about it , only now in the thread about RU you people start bringing it up ? Isn’t it funny ? You thought talking about it in here would help ? It is just that pathetic
I actually saw one some time ago lol.
Someone claiming that the Strv 122s NEEDED DM53 for “balance” because “their firepower was bad”.
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