How? Tell me. Please give me an example of a wording that you think is appropriate.
Example: “I see you lack experience in GRB about CAS compare to AB.”
According to the motto:
“Please tell me that you looked at the statistics without telling me that you looked at the statistics?”
It’s logical that another player has to look at the statistics. Whether you mention it or not.
Mentioning statistics to support your own point of view has a purely factual basis.
Anyone who is ashamed of their statistics has a different problem and it is definitely not the statistics.
It is certainly normal for an emotional reaction to such an “assessment”.
Feeling ashamed is actually a healthy feeling because it serves to draw boundaries in social interaction. Incidentally, narcissists lack a sense of this limit.
When shame is accompanied by humiliation, a boundary is crossed. Merely mentioning too few battles due to lack of experience does not constitute humiliation.
If I mention publicly that someone should be ashamed of their statistics and stop playing WarThunder, that is a humiliation in my eyes.
But simply mentioning K/D or other statistical variables and what they mean in context does not constitute humiliation.
I think it shows a strong personality when you stand by your stats no matter how good or “bad” they are.
They are a representation of past performance. And you don’t have to be ashamed of that. Nobody is born perfect.
But you should be careful when asking others to do things that you cannot do yourself.
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This right here summarizes everything about this thread.
In all honesty, I am not in favor of a ground only mode. It would strip the game apart from its immersion and feeling of warfare to it. While I do agree that CAS can be strong at lower tiers where radar guided SPAAGs can hardly do anything.
I think Gaijin should give players better tutorials or test drives (I know custom missions exist) for SPAAGs and realistic AA sights. Right now we are forced to use tank sights which are really hard to aim with, so most of the time you are just relying on third person.
As for CAS in higher tiers? SAMs are extremely powerful and only a handful of players can play CAS effectively from what I’ve seen, so CAS at higher tiers only becomes a problem when you are down to a few teammates and there is no SPAA other than that it’s mostly okay.
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CAS is strong, that’s for sure, but I don’t have a lot of issue with most of it, the main think I hate is early helicopter spawn.
The rest, fixed wing CAS can be countered by a number of things including AA (Not always very effective, especially at lower tier) and happens usually late enough in the game for a few people to move toward preventing it.
Rotary wing aircraft is Imo a little harder to counter, because of how MANPADs work on helicopter (hard to get a lock past 4km).
Meaning that the best option is to use a plane yourself. Back when I started playing a few years ago that’s mainly why I grinded planes, in order to be an effective counter of CAS players. And it’s usually a very easy job, since most CAS players feels absolutely braindead. It’s not unusual for me, at any BR, to shoot done two or three aircraft when I get a fighter out.
To conclude, and in my opinion, CAS might be a little too strong, but I think it could be easily balanced with slight adjustments on spawn points required, in order to make it harder to get. GRB could also get a hard limit on how many planes can be on the map at once.
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Meaning that the best option is to use a plane yourself
Why even play tanks if you’re just going to play Air RB with ground units?
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I fly in the GRB to give my team the opportunity to have their peace down there from enemy aircraft.
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OK… but then why not play Air RB?
For me personally this is why I stopped playing GRB, I end up flying more games than not shooting down enemy CAS. It’s not exactly fulfilling because most CAS pilots don’t know how to fly. So why not just play air rb instead?
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Because there aren’t really any real teams to protect on the ground. For me, it’s part of the game and makes it versatile. Even if I have to admit that it has been tiring lately. Hardly anyone else is doing it and the matches turn quickly. That’s why a TO mode where I can relax would be great.
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I concur wholeheartedly.
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Sadly the trolls just keep making duplicates when all is discussed here.
Pure childishness…
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There is aircraft in ground battles and aircraft in naval battles, but there is only aircraft in air battles. Someone suggested in another thread allowing players to man AA positions in air battles. Why not allow players to utilize the SPAA in their line ups? After they accrue so many points they can spawn in their SPAA kind of like how you can bring in an aircraft from your line up in naval AB and RB. It would allow those of us that aren’t as good at flying to still try and make a contribution to our teams after we’ve lost all of our aircraft, it would add a new element to air battles, and it would give those players that like to spawn camp in air battles another threat to contend with.
Sure, sounds good to me. Im already used to dealing the aimbot AI AA in ASB. No player would match that in performance. Though unlike ground and naval with tiny maps, Air is usually a lot bigger. But if you want to sit AFK waiting in an SPAA for an aircraft to maybe pass within 10km. Then be my guest
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My reasons for having a GRB mode with no CAS is not even really related to the CAS itself but rather the potential changes in game play that not having CAS would bring about.
That was the point I was trying to make before Stona so rudely ended the thread.
My point is to think about what CAS stops you doing in the game ,the possible good or bad depending on your view point.
For example you can take and hold a CAP without worrying about being taken out by a bomber ,which might lead to a reduced need to push on to enemy spawn which may lead to less spawn camping.This may lead to more mid map activity which brings could bring about a series of changes as a result.
Premium focus could move on to more open topped SPs and soft skin vehicles.To be used in TO GRB if it took off(no pun)
Not having CAS is more than not just losing planes and it in no way has to be based on a hatred of CAS and CAS users.It is there for any player to gain a new experience.
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They can contribute in Air RB anyway since ARB doesn’t need you to be good at flying at all. The Instructor does the flying anyway.
Other that that:
^this
As a SPAA you aren’t nearly mobile enough to contribute anything to the Battle. What do you even expect to do?
There are so many reasonable and good arguments for tank only RB. But the “why don’t they allow SPAA in air battles” will never be one of them.
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Unfortunately I do not think it would help much with fights for cap points. Current implementation for cap points (at least for domination mode) is just bad. I do not bother to go for caps on maps where the points are small circle because that is just invitation to get killed easily. And it does not matter to me if they have CAS or not. I would not bother even in TO mode. I would prefer if cap points worked more like in battlefield. Caps are large area and team with more players on the point will capture the point. Also there would be bonuses for doing actions inside of cap point. It would make it easier to cap if it is not protected and motivate players to stay to defend as they would receive extra bonus for actions inside cap.
I personally like defending cap points. But trying to cap it on most maps is just not worth the risk.
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Lucky that others dont all feel that way as nobody would capture a zone lol.
Major battles revolve around zones some times and its generally CAS that ends it all and often with a x2 or x3 kill.
We all see somebody rush in ,take a zone then dart off as quickly as they can before CAS turns up.This would not happen or have to happen with no CAS would it? I know what you mean about taking a CAP being a risk but that is the game.
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It is true that in late game, when teams are thinner and capturing points is much safer, with CAS in the air it is basically death sentence to try capture point. When enemy has active CAS then even trying to decap is suicide. But overall I think you are right and it could move battle more towards the cap points. I also still believe there should be bonus point for fighting near cap points to motivate players to stay close and not rush spawn as soon as possible.
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Well done, it only took you years to work this out. Apart from the last part where no one has ever said “people have no interest because they aren’t making multiple topics about it”; the reverse of the reality.
That closed topic I linked was very pro-active but due to being a definite duplicate with this thread (a very good thread) it needed to be here. Let us hope this continues.
Why it could not have been posted here in the first place is anyone’s guess. But slowly you guys are listening! Thanks.
Shame it took me to have to pull the discussion here. It takes a non-TO pusher to actually move it forward. But I am glad to have helped in spite of the usual venom…
Allowing players who just want to play tanks to do that in TO, would be beneficial for current GRB mode, as everyone playing it would be focused on combined aspect of the game.
No more nerfs/bufs in places they shouldn’t be.
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