Yeah, artificial walls just break the mm.
I’m your huckleberry.
What?
Go play flareless planes at 9.7-10.3 aggressively and lemme know how it went. You play the plane according its capabilities and situation in the battle. It has nothing to do with passive/aggressive. People who play overly aggressive right from the bat without evaluating the situation with a plane that doesn’t have flares just die early on because the player on enemy team who keeps a little distance for the furball to develop will just missile your ass as an easy free kill. Positional awareness about enemy planes is so much more important when you don’t have flares to rely on at 10.0-10.3, it forces a more passive play style.
If you can’t wrap your head around that, it’s no wonder you’re here screeching the F4C should move down in BR so it can lolstomp on 8.7s 20% of the time
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winning dogfights against low tier jets isn’t difficult, its easy. You can do that with a few months of experience.
And just because one can make flareless planes work it does not mean they should have to fight all aspect missiles.
Equal chances to everyone also reduces the inequality that mach2 jets bring into korean war mm
They are not required, they just make the plane fit your balls to the wall play style. I spaded the Nesher solo while it was 10.3 and exclusively as a fighter and while my stats aren’t great on it (170:52 with probably my worst win rate), it’s not a useless/unplayable plane just because it doesn’t have flares. And this was during the F4S time, so more often than not I’d find myself in 11.3 games for added joy of fighting 21bis and mig23s.
And that’s a Nesher, which outside of so-so speed doesn’t have much at all… you think I go right in and headon the enemy team to be relevant early game? Hm
Go play flawless planes at 9.7-10.3 aggressively and lemme know how it went. You play the plane according its capabilities and situation in the battle.
You, like everyone else here, misunderstand the point. The point is not that you SHOULDN’T play these planes this way, it’s that the planes themselves FORCE you to, and by doing so (playing passively) you just play worse than if you were able to actually participate. You are fully reliant on teammates and for the early stages of the battle you are useless flying around doing nothing waiting for opportunities. Therefore, FORCE MULTIPLIERS kick in when their team starts killing your team because your team started down 1 jet.
Passive = waiting around with no flares waiting for opportunities
“Aggressive” (This isn’t binary. It isn’t just “passive” or “aggressive”. There is a middle ground.) Play leads to your team gaining the force multiplier advantage and coming out on top.
I repeat, for the 37th time, it is NOT about “taking every head-on”, “going straight into the furball” or any other contrived scenaro y’all want to make up. It’s about not participating in the fight until it’s already close to decided.
They are required for the plane to be competitive.
all aspect is a problem on it’s own, it is not about flareless plane, it’s about undetiered missile in, you guess it, lower BR than it’s appropriate place.
i mentioned all aspect because they are the worst offenders of this. We practically need to seperate anything above r3 and aim 9e from everything with r3 and aim9e without flares to even get a grasp on how to balance them. And even then we need to get rid of mach 2 fighting korean war mm
Well,… you always are happy when you messed up and a rat saved your ass,…
Come on,… calling on people that their way to play is Bad/Rat/ or even that they’re useless makes no senses,…
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That’s the right thing think
they used the term first, I only used it to refer to the same thing.
DUDE,… you’re obviously trolling at this point,…
YOU HAVE NO ARGUMENT ON YOUR OWN,…
and you clearly play with anything in order keep yourself to say “ok i’m wrong”,…
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Balanced_Game when a plane built for a certain playstyle doesnt do well when used with different playstyles:
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Pretty sure this is Rico’s new account.
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I spent a lot of time during the event spading Rank 5-6 stuff. I don’t think I touched either of these planes before August. I can recall at least 2–3 games in full up-tiers to 10.3 where I had at least 3 kills and was one, if not the only player alive on my team to secure the win. I play with a playstation controller.
You don’t need flares to be competitive, you need to be able to evolve your gameplay to the lobby, map and have the situational awareness and patience to be competitive.
Moreover, far too many poor players play far too recklessly and put themselves in terrible situations simply because they have flares—which they assume to be some sort of get out of jail free card. They forget you can’t flare bullets*. These players, the ones who have a handful of “You’ve Left The Battle Before It’s Completed” messages at any given time, are actually less competitive and hurting the team by doing so. They are not influencing the “force multiplier” (?) in any meaningful way because they are dead.
*I think this is more a byproduct of players skipping over props or early jets more than anything else. The least competitive jet players always seem to be like level 45 with maaybe a couple dozen hours in prop ARB. And look, I get it, props aren’t for everyone, a lot of players jump in with a Rank 6 or 7 premium and off they go to ‘grind’ a tree. The problem is they are almost always incapable of effectively playing a single plane they’ve unlocked and if they find themselves in a plane without flares or meta performance/missiles they attribute their failure to ANY THING other than their impatience, lack of gameplay experience and refusal to slow down and learn the game.
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I seriously doubt that you have not understood the F-4F [early model]
she doesn’t have flares
F-4F with flares at 10.7
Is your statement about full up-tier to 10.3 meant to mean something? Considering the fact that the 104 is like 9.7 perhaps even 10.0 anyway
It was a reply to @Balanced_Game stating flares are required in that BR lobby to be competitive.
That said, I don’t think you’ll find many people who believe the 104A/C are 10.0 aircraft.