…at 10.3 yes
why would it need a higher BR for flares? literally none of this community understands balance lol
The F-4 C is fine at 10.0 but well everything is better 10.3 or higher so your kinda outa luck … It cant really go lower either its a really good jet for 10.0 but newer jets have better weapons in the 10.0 range its kinda just a jet you should either use to grind the E out or just skip sadly … If it got flares and went to 10.3 might be better off but your gunna find lotsa SARH missiles there and 9E’s pretty bad there so even thats not really gunna help it
Because most 9.0s and 9.3s can’t catch it without being able to missile it. Can just fly around being untouchable in a downtier when it has flares. Woooo, fun.
10.0 and 10.3 is the same 90% of the time, just can’t see 9.0 games with flares, ever.
Cause flares are that much of a game changer. There is reason why Gaijin treats missing CM’s as suggestions and not a bug. The addition of CM’s to the F-104S caused its BR to go up.
It never carried flares.
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lets hope with f15 and su27 in the future the br cap will go to 12.3 and with amraams even to 12.7. Then they could get most of the 10.3 and 10.7 stuff that ruins the 9.3 to 10.0 bracket to 11.0-11.3. We don’t need more compression we need less
This is in the context of every BR being decompressed, so other planes would be even higher in BR, with top tier floating around somewhere above 13.0. Given how bad the compression is in the transition between flareless / non-flareless jets, this is necessary.
The Aim-9E is in fact an Aim-9J limited to only pull 10Gs. While much worse than a 9J, it also has significantly better range than an Aim-9B. This doesn’t change the fact that it’s completely inadequate in the current 10.0 lobby, which means BRs should be decompressed to support a lobby where they are competitive.
This is why I shot out those earlier numbers for having the MiG-19, Harrier and Su-17 so high - it’s in the context of the rank 7s like MiG-21SMT going up even more.
Everyone wanting their favorite plane to go down is ignoring the larger picture. This is how we got the 9.3 F-104, MiG-19, Su-7 and Yak-38, which are completely undertiered in the context of the rank V jets that they face. So yeah, decompress the BRs and we’ll have a fun lobby for everyone.
Whaaaatttt?
The 9J was the improvement of 9E,… not the opposite.
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Well you still need to know how to handle them, which is not in the ability of most players.
Sorry. However, the Aim-9E acts as an Aim-9J that pulls 10Gs instead of 20. It has the same rocket motor, it’s uncaged, it has the same flare resistance, etc. It is far more versatile than the Aim-9B.
The problem planes need to be moved up and the whole BR range needs to be redone. I would like to see a balancing panel taken from the top players in the game, with a few players from the general playerbase mixed in for perspective.
The current problem is the gaijin policy of downtiering planes that are suffering rather than uptiering the planes that are causing the issue. They can claim that they are doing this with playerbase’s blessing, because people are focused on individual aircraft like the F-4C without seeing the bigger picture.
In a dream scenario where everything gets rebalanced, I would like to see the F-4C at BR 10.7 because we need to make room for subsonics, which are themselves heavily compressed (the uptier from 7.0 to 8.0 is brutal).
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No 9.0 or 9.3 save for a Yak-38 has a missile that is dangerous to a F-4C in the first place. Flares do not uptier vehicles. Flares are REQUIRED to play the game at these BRs.
The Ayit carries 9Ds, and I have absolutely eaten up 10.0 and 10.3s with it during the event window.
Also, I think if more players played flareless planes more passively at this BR they would be finding much more success. I started spading the F-105 during the event and had several very strong/enjoyable games in it, simply by waiting for the furball to start and entering the fight behind the opposing Su-25s/A-10s.
I think it’s more like, flares are “REQUIRED” to play aggressively—particularly in the early game at these BRs. The problem is a majority of the player base is far too impatient and blames their lack of flares for their lack of success—meanwhile they still get smoked in anything toting a ton of flares.
I did forget about the lower BR jets but those are literally just undertiered lmao. In a just world they’d be a much higher BR.
Flares do not raise a jet’s BR. period. They are required to even be viable to begin with.
People who suggest playing passively are themselves terrible players. You do not want to win. I do. Therefore playing passively is counter-productive.
And yet, somehow, I’m always one of the last alive to carry/secure wins for my team.
Stop it.
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Last alive literally means nothing, in fact it usually means you didn’t do anything of value.
Playing passive = you’re not playing well. period.
Whatever you say mate. Period.
Ngl, this sort of gives off the same energy like when i play something such as the f82 and someone in a zero calls me a “no skill coward” for not engaging in a turn fight with him.
Not every plane is built for those dogfights.
However, the current meta is basically sgort distance dogfights which is why most of the boom and zoom planes keep dropping in br. I think that a lot of people are trying to play the f4c like they would a f8 or even a sabre. Crazy to see someone in a f4c trying to out turn a mig21 when they could of just kept flying straight and been fine.
I try to play the f4c to some of its strengths. I fly up high and try to pick off 1 or 2 of the high fliers. Sometimes my aim7 misses so i roll past their plane and keep flying. I then can dive onto their su25/a10s from behind and the aim9e works fine for that at least. Then i just look for anyone low energy or still up high to try to take out.
I would agree that 11.0 planes will beat the f4c but I am not sure allowing 8.7s to face decent sarh missiles is the answer.
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Ngl, this sort of gives off the same energy like when i play something such as the f82 and someone in a zero calls me a “no skill coward” for not engaging in a turn fight with him.
That’s your own preconceived biases. That is NOT anything like what I’m saying.
However, the current meta is basically sgort distance dogfights which is why most of the boom and zoom planes keep dropping in br.
You don’t get it. BnZ is not passive. Energy fighting is not passive. What he is describing and what you have to do to live in these jets without flares is what passive is. IE flying around at altitude or away from the furball waiting for some lucky opportunity to engage without dying. You are actively a wasted slot until you start fighting. Force multiplier is literally just about the singular only thing that wins games in WT. One side getting a few kills at the start on your team because half of your team is playing passive is ultimately the #1 reason you lose games.
And no, I am not saying these jets CAN be played the way you need to, I am saying you are useless in these jets no matter what you do at the end of the day.
I’m also not advocating for a downtier, but I am saying under GAIJIN’S CURRENT compression, that the plane warrants 9.7. I’d much rather they decompressa nd uptier.
Then I dont know man. Personally, he seemed to be descibing boom and zoom-like behavior but I could of read it wrong. I would not call the f4c useless. I tend to do pretty decent in the f4c because I try to make sure that the planes with high g missiles dont get a good shot on me. Most times they fire at me, I am too fast and I outrun it. I agree on the decompression but I feel like that should be in a more broad topic instead of one looking at a single plane, f4c in this case. I dont recall there being a topic about it but if you make one, I could help with adding ideas.