That wasn’t very clever, want another go?
9Es and 7Ds are not comparable to the missiles at 10.0 or higher. Going by gaijin’s OWN metrics, the F-4C should be 9.7 if not 9.3 by now.
Not your best take…
You do know that the F-4C’s radar only has access to pulse mode, so having a target below you makes your radar & SARH’s useless(since the auxiliary modes that would let you guide the missile; BST and the aspect knobs aren’t modeled, among a number of refinements that could be made to Sparrows; like English Bias ). So you are giving up the airframes strength as an interceptor for no gain whatsoever.
The AIM-7D / AIM-9E’s comparatively poor performance (vs the AIM-7E / AIM-9J) , and relatively minor improvements over the AIM-9B (its pretty much solely guidance section related) / AIM-7C (Better motor won’t make up for the lacking mechanics massively reducing maneuverability and ASE).
You either relegate it to a similar role as the F-105 where the main differences is that it can occasionally snap shot or go after distracted aircraft. or die try and use the limited snap up capabilities of the radar and hope that your target isn’t paying attention.
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Never said that,… but i do not assumed that the F-4C should be capable in close dogfight in order to be efficient
Except that many of others aircrafts do have access to far less number of missiles
Doesn’t matter. Both missiles are garbage
and certainly not of 4 SARH + 4 IR missiles
Doesn’t matter. Both missiles are garbage.
If you goes by that fact quality of missile, you also might remember than quantity of it is a large factor of possibilties.
Quantity only matters if the missile is effective. You can have 100 AIM-9Bs. Your jet is still trash if it’s a 11.0+ jet.
When some launch a 18G missiles, and only have 3 left, you already launched 2 AIM-7D and possibly one AIM-9E
And that user has 2 kills while I have 0. F-4C has garbage missiles.
Making yourself the more active / impactful if played wisely (means different from an F-5C, which is a turn and gun fighter more than missile fighter)
F-5C is always the better jet. Period. You would never ever take the F-4C over it if you wanted to be competitive.
So when YOU compare the F-5C (a light fighter/medium altitude fighter) to an F-4C high altitude superiority fighter,… i’m pretty sure you don’t know how to use the F-4C,…
Designations don’t matter lmao. Do you think this is IRL? The name of the game is Air Realistic Battles and in that mode the F-4C is complete garbage and the F-5C is god tier.
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if anything you’re the one who can’t maximise phantom airframe at 10.0
You gonna tell Defyn this? You know, since he’s far better than you are and also thinks the F-4C is garbage? Crazy ain’t it? Not everything is a skill issue. The jet is garbage and I would personally love to smoke you 100 times over in a duel with anything near that BR to prove it one day.
Note that I fly a fucking F-104 without flare at 10.7 then 10.3 for my first afterburning jet, and I’m learning a lot from that airframe, if you can’t abuse the fact that I fly in a plane that can’t turn then go shit your bed.
F-104G/J are far superior to F-4C. Cope and cry about it all you want but they are.
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God,… you’re so fuckin relying on statistic,…
At the addition of AIM-9E on T-2(k) i prefered to use the AIM-9B as i was far more familiarized to it, and far more efficient with it,…
But i know now that whatever i’ll say, you’ll try to fool people around without any argumentation,…
You talk about trash missiles, i’m pretty you don’t use them correctly.
You talk about quantity doesn’t matter → you sure don’t understand opportunity it gives to be able to trash 1 or 2 missiles to only scare people that a missile might be incoming. (I would love to have 4 Magic-1 on my Mirage 3C)
You don’t understand the gameplay of which is F-4C,… and talk about another Completely different aircraft as exemple of your bullshit.
Btw, me:
302 RB Games 225 deaths 354 kills (so 1.6 KD // 1.17 kills per games)
You:
192 RB Games 128 death 169 kills (1.3 KD // 0.88 kills per games)
So i feel like you don’t know what you’re currently using,… F-4C is fine, you just need to play it differently than F-5C (and i’m better on my F-5E vs you, as i do not own F-5C to compare)
You ever stop to think these stats are old? Lmao.
Either way doesn’t matter. Refer to my previous posts. Anybody who isn’t bad at the game thinks the F-4C is terrible rn. Including Defyn who is 30x the player you are, so you know, cope.
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Funny how average players compare their own stats even their stats are not insane.
I wouldn’t say F-4C should move down to 9.7BR because it compress subsonic jet tier even more but, dealing F-4C is really easy when I fly 10.0BR/10.3BR jets and even on some 9.7BR jets such as Hunter F.58.
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F4C shouldn’t get in a 8.7-9.7 match though… most the strong 9.3-9.7 will be on the same team as the F4C.
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well too bad then,… just added some games, and apart being teamkilled, i died normally, and make some scores,…
and Defyn can say what he wants, it’s not because he’s followed that he’s entirely right,… so with all my respect, his POV shouldn’t be your words
bring your own score on the table before speaking of something you don’t play anymore.
5 games done tonight in F-4C:
using 2 AIM-7D + 4 AIM-9E and ventral gunpod payload and max fuel
3 AIM-9E kills (MiG-21 / Su-25 / Hunter)
4 assists (50% of those assists are AIM-7D having somehow hit but not destroyed the target)
1 death per teamkill (AIM-9B from F3H-2) + 3 death (2 instant R-60 from MiG-21’s + 1 RB24J from J35XS from i dodged the 1st RB-24J simply by maneuvering)
so F-4C is largely playable now, just you’re too bad to see it, point.
(coping on Defyn? idc of him,… there is at least 12 aircrafts on which i think he’s wrong on half his explannations)
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so F-4C is largely playable now, just you’re too bad to see it, point.
I see no reason to believe you’re a better pilot than me, sorry. F-4C isn’t good.
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I wouldn’t consider 5 games and 3 missile kills some awe inspiring results on your case of it being fine at 10.0, it’s pretty bad actually and you’d probably be able to do that in any other jet with 9Es as well. The problem isn’t that it’s not trash at 10.0, it IS trash, completely. The problem is that it also cannot see 8.7 games if you bring it down to 9.7… but there’s also an argument to make there, because there are better planes at 9.3 and 9.7 than the F4C as well – which also really shouldn’t sit that low either.
The whole problem is people always come and say downtier this or that because “no flares, so I can’t compete”, while in fact they should be moving stuff with obvious too high performance for the current BR up, not compressing lower BRs (8.7-9.0) more into range where they can meet planes that just FAR outperform them in either armament or straight up flight performance, otherwise you’d just be moving the problem instead of solving it.
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I think it’s crazy that you actually says that. 10.0 is the most overcrowded BR with plane that need to be moved down with like 6 of them needing to move up, it’s like flying Zero and whine about American plane being faster than you, change your playstyle.
And Defyn didn’t call this plane garbage lol, not in the slightest.
Yeah, superior in terms of getting their ass handed by the sheer virtue of not having useful missile and the ability to put itself behind an enemy, flew as fast as F4C, F5E, MiG-21, J7D, Milan, and Draken without mentioned plane above turn capability.
with plane that need to be moved down
not a single 10.0 in the game deserves to be downtiered.
And Defyn didn’t call this plane garbage lol, not in the slightest.
Says its unplayable in the current all aspect meta so yeah
Yeah, superior in terms of getting their ass handed by the sheer virtue of not having useful missile
mfw 9J is somehow not useful compared to 9E… wow.
9J is useless if your plane can’t put it’s nose behind enemy tail, period
To answer this so called “Defyn” statement (bet you pulled shit out of your ass anyway), pretty much all plane in 9.0 - 10.7 range without CM is gimped because the 10.0 attacker with all aspects meta now. Difference is F4C can actually notch the radar because it doesn’t lose speed in turn and able pick and choose their engagement from the start while 104 need to come a bit later because rat plane without manoeuvre nor flare and rear aspect missile doesn’t work well.
Also, tell me that F2 sabre, F30 sabre, F40 sabre, Lim 5P and Frescos doesn’t need downtier because they badly need downtier in a meta where they can’t do shit against 10.0 All aspects attacker.
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9J is useless if your plane can’t put it’s nose behind enemy tail, period
it is not hard to get missile solutions with the 9J and the F-104
Difference is F4C can actually notch the radar
What? I’m not going to continue until you explain what the hell you’re notching here?
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Also, tell me that F2 sabre, F30 sabre, F40 sabre, Lim 5P and Frescos
none of these need downtiers and only REAAAAAAALLY bad players think they or anything else in the Jet BR range does… we need DECOMPRESSION
You also mentioned the STRONGEST JETS at these BRs. Sounds like you don’t care about balance at all.
If they give the F4C flares then it would be fine