That’s because people are too bad ^^"
Dodging is possible, just you need to be precise in defensive maneuvers.
because these planes can beat the F-4C in many aspect and the fact that american players facing these MiG’s constantly is no fun for american players
ok let me ask you this if an A-10 or Su-25 fired an AIM-9L or R-60M headon what are you going to do or react ?
i will answer this for you
- you will eat a missile regardless
2.trying to do a fancy percise aggressive manvuvers will result in your wing tips leaving your plane and you made it easier for yourself to drive the missile off but jokes aside your wings will snap and the missile will hit you regardless even if you lost both of your wings
think about it
the F-104 A/C are at 9.3 what would you explain this since why F-104’s are at 9.3 BR range in the first place ?
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ok let me get this strait the F-4F for germany has flares right ?
and at 10.3 it can hold it’s own but frankly speaking
this is not about the F-4F
like ok what this has to do with the F-4C since the F-4D is a diffrent modification and it gets it’s CM’s but the problem is that it’s not even in game
ok if you want me to shut up then what are you going to say about the other aircraft at it’s wrong BR ?
and what i mean with other aircraft like Harrier GR-3 and the G-91 Y/YS and other list of flareless aircraft in the list that you can find
Tbh the A-5C might have the worst airframe but it can defend itself and it has a great french and american missiles but the fact that the F-4C’s even it’s missile loadout like the IR cannot exceed 10G’s and the fact that the Radar missile loses a lot of energy after it’s motor cuts out and it has a radar that does not have PD and Bad engines at 10.0
think about this logic
1.bad IR missiles and radar missile
2.Bad Radar
3.Bad engines
4.airframe that does not even have the agile eagle package because it’s an Early F-4
despite all of this how would this would fit in 10.0 where other planes has bigger advantage than it in Every Possible way
can you think for an answer for this logic ?
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like i agree moving other planes up by expanding 10.0 BR but if expanding is not an option then it has to get lower and the fact other nations with other planes are suffering the same issue as the F-4C
Aim-9Es are fine, as seen on F-105D.
F-4C had perfectly fine engines.
Airframe is fine without agile eagle.
And radar is fine for the BR.
I’d rather beg Gaijin on my knees to add dynamic BRs based on your ordnance loadout. I REALLY hope they do this at some point, because your proposal is “please uptier the F-4C into a BR where its flight performance won’t hold up nearly as well but with better weapons as a crutch”. To what end? Give everything that has earlier sidewinders and sparrows later ones, force them to higher BRs where they end up fighting either the same or better aircraft, against harder weapons. You just make the missile meta worse, and deprive the game of those earlier missiles.
Remember when the Aim 9J was really hard to flare if you weren’t careful, and the magic didn’t care? Thought I hated it then but god do I miss it now, because the meta’s just got worse since with the huge flare buffs and increasing prevalence of higher G and all aspect missiles creeping down into lower BRs.
So would you rather it fight MiG-19s and earlier MiG-21s, A-5s, Su-7s and so on, or fight MiG-23s, F-14As, and other top tiers or near-top tiers, with the same flight performance as it has now just with flares and 9Ls? That doesn’t sound as fun IMO.
- Fire an IR missile at their own missile, hop off the afterburner, and laugh as either a: the missiles proxy on each other, or b: the A-10/Su-25 drops heaps of flares and decoys your missile onto them at which point it both decoys their own missile, and kills them. I do a all the time, and I’ve had b happen once or twice.
First of all : why should i be making a Head-on against a 30mm gun(+2x20mm gunpod) with AIM-9L, when i have at best 3x20mm and less capable missiles??
Why?
If YOU are going for the head-on, then YOU’re making the mistake ANY PILOTS of A-10 and Su-25 awaits you to do,…
Therefore,… thinking of a stupid situation provoked by people UNABLE to think wisely about the opponent is Not something i’m gonna do,… because I’ll not be in this stupid situation.
Just think about it
(but since you’re still unable to Play on your aircrafts Strength, i doubt you’re able to think about how to play an aircraft depending on It’s capabilities)
[PS: watching other post you’ve made here to answer other peoples, you clearly are raging, because you clearly are playing without Knowing how to play a jet such as F-4C → maybe Jet Gameplay ain’t for you then]
Completely agreed the F-4C is fine
And they are still variants of the same base airframe with sequential changes with significant overlap.
Due to T.O-F-4C-35 it can be assumed that the F-4C & -4D are similarly wired for ECM pods (in fact the deleted pod many well be the AAQ-8).
From this website we get
FG F-4C/D USAF 433 TFSq, 8 TFWg Ubon
FP F-4C/D USAF 435 TFSq, 8 TFWg Ubon
FO F-4C/D USAF 497 TFSq, 8 TFWg Ubon
FY F-4C/D USAF 555 TFSq, 8 TFWg Ubon
So we are looking for deployment dates for the 435 TFSq for an overlap with an F-4C equip squadron.
Note
Wikipedia, Wikimedia and the previous reference disagree about which tail code belongs to each squadron; Wikipedia claims FP belongs to the 435th TFs.
(December 1965 – September 1974) (Tail Code: FP)
When the photo was taken, Wikimedia identifies the image as having been taken in 1971 but the BOLT-117 (SALH guidance kit for the M117, 750lb bomb seen on the close inner wing station)
BOLT-117 testing dates the image to sometime between May to August 1968, and if the 8th wing, I would question if they had sufficient stocks to remain in service for an additional three years even though they were produced in limited number and Paveway I (GBU-10 / -12 / -16) would have been the preferred type.
Wikipedia states that F-4D supplementation of F-4C’s at Udon began in April of 1967.
So as listed practically any of the aforementioned squadrons are suitable, so as a fallback I would at least see it as a potential option for giving the F-4C some form of IR countermeasure, though I would probably prefer to see it replaced by the F-4D (and AIM-7E added) as there really isn’t too much different.
Nobody good at the game thinks the F-4C is anywhere near as competitive as F-5C, period.
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He’s not though. F-4C is worse.
Cold take facts aren’t bait.
you didnt state any
60 is enough, and I’m not saying it is low, but compared to the American GR.3 it is low
lol
better than a plane that cant fucking retain it’s energy or even turn to save itself?