how do I have a skill issue if I’m better than you? are you skill disabled lmao
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you’re literally just posting the cherry picked protection analysis lol, my experience is more than yours fyi, you’re overselling the he and you’re literally just plain incorrect about the damage. berzins are the most op 12.7s in the game, common knowledge, the he usually isn’t what kills though it’s the fire caused by it, same with Italian 12.7s but they’re way harder to hit the aircraft with due to terrible velocity and lower rof, I’m open to a 1v1 if you want to test battle damage lol
Wait, what, you’re seriously saying that after you got kicked by Lein?
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It’s not cherry picked when .50cal AP is always going to deal less damage to structure than explosive bullets.
The damage done is basically identical to Berezin HE bullets.
You even get the same 50% explosive bullets.
The ballistics are worse but that doesn’t make them unusable.
They are basically identical to LMG rounds.
Both US and Italian .50cal are basically the worst .50cals, since they both are outperformed in varies forms by others.
Only the MG 131 is worse because it has simply abysmal ballistic performance.
Also API hardly sets any fires anymore, so you either kill with structural damage or pilot snipes anyway.
It’s literally a trade-off between ballistics and damage potential.
no, just no
uhmmm no US 50cals are very good
the mg131 is very good if you know how to aim
“ohhh noooo my guns arent a flamethrower anymore soooo sad D:”
no? berezin and US 50 cals are superior on most ways
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so half my ammo load is nearly useless gotcha, very useful, and my131s are superior if slightly, while having similar terrible velocity they actually do damage when they hit, and have a way better rof (maybe that’s what’s doing the damage though)
Claiming American 12.7s are worse is a bridge too far
Again I’m talking about single guns, not that having 6-8 .50cals are bad.
You know that your feelings doesn’t mean anything.
How can you even compare the damage?
One has superior ballistics and RoF so of course the Berezin is better.
That doesn’t mean the HE bullets somehow are more destructive.
Tell that to the guy who thinks a Italian .50cal is worse than the US .50cal.
There’s literally no worse gun than the MG 131 when it comes to ballistics.
They are slow and slow down very fast so they drop like stones after just 200m.
Whats your freaking problem of taking every fact that I say and then turning it into me whining about something.
I literally just stated a fact.
Why do you bring the Berezin into the discussion?
US .50cals do one thing better than Italian .50cals and that is being faster.
No explosive bullets and no sever RoF advantage means that Breda-SAFATs are going to put out more damage per shot.
And since they don’t depend on kinetic energy, you are going to hit much harder at range.
And if you want to talk about the ballistics.
I have some wisdom for you:
I never said they are worse. I said they are basically equal.
You get more hits but deal less damage. So overall they are the same.
Literally all explosive bullets in the game deal the same damage, regardless of filler.
Just how there’s practically no difference with 20mm or larger explosive shells.
The main difference is that .50cal explosive bullets are far less reliable because they spawn fewer fragments and sometimes they will deal zero damage on impact because all the fragments spawn in the opposite direction.
… yea i wonder why i talked about the berezin
yea but maybe that the one berezin on the Yak-9 shreds enemy planes while the italian 50cals deal near to no dmg even on biplanes
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@KillaKiwi, @lynx15
Please, both of you, chill down a bit.
Yes, spec of 50cal is essential to discuss about F8F-1, which has four 50cal.
But, concentrating on about 50cal itself a bit too much is slightly off-topic, I guess.
I reckon the single 50cal itself is a debatable gun.
Especially when those guns are filled with an early-war belt of something (which isn’t the case of F8F-1)
For me, I prefer the late-war laser belt 50cal over Ho-103 or Breda-safat, but for the early belt one, I am a bit prefer Breda over 50cal, maybe.
And back to the original topic, I reckon that a spec of a single 50cal cannot give indulgence to F8F-1 being 4.7BR.
Probably at least 5.0 would be fine to try if we think about P-51D-30 or P-51K?
I mean, they’re probably not raising them directly from 4.7 to 5.3-5.7 in one step.
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I don’t statpad or really take the game seriously, prolly a side effect of playing TF2. I don’t struggle to destroy F8Fs, they’re a relatively easy target compared to Yaks, Spitties, and Zeros. If someone is struggling to destroy a plane that someone as bad as me has no issue facing, then that is simply their skill issue and nothing more.
Better question, how are you getting clapped so hard by a mid plane if you’re supposedly better?
You mean after kicking RXDima?
The P-51D-30 ain’t exactly a shining star at 5.0. 4.7 is fine for the F8F, especially when you consider most 4.7s are better than it. Advocating for the F8F to go up before general decompression is just silly.
English mate…
non-english comment will be deleted by mods, eventually.
dunno why his comment doesn’t get removed, even though it isn’t English. /j
yeah I know, just got so fed up had to call him out in some way that would hit closer lmao.
Edit: aaand its gone!
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Then face the consequence of it.
If you have good stats but made a bad take, some random guys will be your meatshield
If you have bad stats ‘and’ made a bad take, you will be ashamed by stats too.
Both have only one solution: don’t make a bad take.
If you have good stats and make a good take, noone will care about your stats.
If you have bad stats and make a good take, noone will care about your stats.
Because majorities of them just stuck on the ground and shot ground targets, while every other teammate who chose to climb was literally slaughtered by Hayate at higher altitudes, because they got outnumbered. thanks to US Main players.
No no no no no no. That is not the goddamn point ffs.
Since Feb 4, till today, you learnt nothing…
F8F-1 is an undergunned superprop. Someone who can ride that broncho, things become very nasty real quick.
Because it isn’t a mid plane?
They are planes of lions led by a sheep.
She isn’t meta, unlike Yak does. But she still has some kicks.
Hmm, I thought she was a shining star when I flew with P-51K. almost everything which I disliked when I flew with P-51D-5/20 were dealt with.
Because you excluded nearly every non-meta 4.3-5.0 off the table as you previously claimed ‘no1 plays’?
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statshamers only serve to make themselves look stupid.
false.
Sorry, but it’s not an issue of U.S. main skill. We know this because of Russia and Germany.
superprop is a massive exaggeration.
Then why can mid players best it so easily? You can’t have your cake and eat it too.
Advocating for one of the lesser planes at a BR to go up is just silly then.
Yes, we shouldn’t be comparing the F8F to things like the B-17.
Hmm, I usually don’t give a damn about the opponent’s stat and only looks with takes
I remember I told you, even if DEFYN made a bad take here, I would’ve argued against him before.
Oh well, statshaming isn’t the main topic of this, and further discussion would be off topic.
Because you want to dismiss any contribution of US main’s about prop meta, because you are US main?
Probably Soviet planes are also part of the problem, but completely excluding the skill issue of US because they are famous… is unacceptable.
How the f- it is a massive exaggeration?
F8F-1B is a superprop, and F8F-1 is an undergunned earlier variant, which is armed with 50cal M2 instead of 20mm.
So, it is undergunned superprop.
Just like how USN/USAAF clapped IJNAS’s ass in the late stage of pacific war?
You want to tell those old vets ate their cake while having those, too?
Late war japanese planes can theoretically compete against American planes just like how they do in War Thunder
But they just got slaughtered by two parts: a lack of skill on the engineers, and a lack of skills on the pilots.
No? If we think about Ki-61-I hei, Spitfire Vc/Trop, C.205, Fw 190A-8, and Seafire LF Mk.III
F8F-1 needs to go up.
Quite easy to move a goalpost by mentioning a false equivalent, such as B-17, right?
Seems it is one of your power moves. :/
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I have the majority of the Soviet and German props ground. Actually, if anything, it’s in my best interest that the U.S. air tree be nerfed more so it’s easier to grind other nations.
Not when it’s outflown by normal, non superprops, e.g Yak, Zero and Spitfire. The P-51H-5 is a superprop, the F8F is not.
I’d bet my money on a spitfire beating an F8F in a fight.
Yes, you know tons about that.
Don’t you dare lie in front of me, pal.
The majority of the soviets and German props ground… oh, you mean you excluded those which you think no one plays, how convenient.
You act like US Main, You speak like US Main…
Then you are US Main… and the number gap between US Aircraft vs non-us aircrafts are drastically big.
Are you creating the definition?
F8F is one of the latest prop fighters, which came out in the final stages of WW2 and right before jets came out.
No matter how you believe or not, she is superprob. just like how Seafire FR.47 or Sea Fury does.
Logic isn’t a skill of yours, aren’t you?
I explained this again and again and again.
I shot F8F-1 down while I plays Ki-61-I Hei =/= Ki-61-I Hei is better plane than F8F-1
You shot F-5C down while you play AV-8C =/= AV-8C is better dogfighter than F-5C
If you really believe that I moved the goalpost by mentioning a false equivalent…
Then it must’ve tragedy of the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare.
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You also bet on a Yak-7 beating an F8F before and lost.
Its literally as fast as a P-51 H on the deck. Meaning it’s faster than a Wyvern.
Personally the only downside of the F8F at 4.7 is its poor high altitude performance and not having 20mm cannons that will instantly shred anything.
And it’s only 4.7 because of the combination of only having .50cals and players taking fights they shouldn’t in their current energy state.
If players kill in a singe hit you get the F8F at 6.0.
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yea cuz the F8F need at least some kind of knowledge of what you are doing while Yaks spits and zeros just need to turn most the time
who said they had problems killing F8Fs in ARB with how the current pilots fly F8Fs?
i agree with you here (for once)
if the F8F1B performs okay at 6.3 id say something like 5.3 would be more than reasonable for the F8F1
superprops are props above 5.7 in this game (mostly) the F8F1B is way above that
because the pilots of the F8F use them for bombing and killing ground units?
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