you get outclimbed by most 5.0 aircraft and you cant turn for your life
the F-4 at 4.0 is just better in most if not all regards and you dont get uptiered into 4.7 that often
and the F-4 isnt even that good its a rlly nice aircraft but definitely not even close to some other 4.0 planes
i have used them and i can tell you that the HE filler doesnt make them that great tbh id rather have two MG17s than these and i would in every case say that the brownings are way better
In my duel against, I believe @RDXRooster63 , after the Lena duel, he attempted to “energy fight” me by climbing high and using altitude to his advantage.
The first game he did it, it worked decently well. In the game after that, I too climbed, and outclimbed him which resulted in a 15 minute chase where he pretty much just ran from me until I baited him to get close, and used my altitude to just barely outrun him and shoot him down.
That happened a couple times, I can very confidently say the F8F does not outclimb the Typhoon.
It applies to some without airspawn aswell.
Fw 190 D-9 outclimbs pretty much anything that isn’t a spitty,
I could never get the hang of the F-4.
I guess we gotta disagree there. 12.7mm Bredas have always been a major selling point of the Italian TT to me.
Yak-3 (all of them) outclimbs you, P-38 will prob outclimb you, (i could be wrong here)i even think the P-51D-30 might even outclimb you, Yak-9U prob also outclimbs you and prob a lot of other aircarft also do (i dont play 5.0 that much)
not if they dive and you come out of a climb
and just running will not win you the game
P-51 might also outrun you (not sure here)
they can climb with 109s they definitely can climb with 190s and they outdogfight you
even if they dont know what they are even doing they will win the dogfight
im not sure about this one but you also dont see much P-47s in ARB
I just wonder why the heck this discussion revived.
This discussion just works like Roly-poly toy does.
Someone dismisses the Pangolin, and he stands up again.
“Lookin like true survivor, feelin like a little kid-”
The problem of F8F-1 is just three parts
1- Engine cooling problem if we don’t go MEC (even with it, it has decent climbing capability)
2- 50cal which is not that bad, but has lower firepower compared to other counterparts in nearby BR
(Well, autocannons are indeed easier to cut wings.)
3- bad US main teammates who don’t give a damn about dogfight/energyfight but digging ground for CAS planes.
Always outgunned and outnumbered.
Not F8F-1 herself’s problem.
If 50cal had zero problem, it would’ve 5.7-6.0 BR prop if we think about F8F-1B with 20mm are 6.3BR.
Just… their statistics got doomed.
Why the heck F8F-1 has lower BR than A6M3 mod22ko fr
yea but thats more cuz cannons are just way too powerfull in the dmg department rn and not that 50cals are underperforming in the dmg department so i can at least kind of understand if they make this point (still doesnt rlly justify it being at 4.7)
cuz the A6m3 can just turn and win a fight while the F8F1 needs some brain to work
tbh most zeros are overtiered
Yeah, this is nonsense if we think about some planes such as Ki-61-I Hei, while everyone just think about J2M2 Raiden.
Back in the day when I flew with Spitfires, I loved the moment when A6M BnZ those mustangs, thunderbolts, and corsairs.
And outnumbered by those Hayates at high-alt.
:/
buddy I have all that and then some, and you don’t have any idea what you’re talking about, if you were a good player you’d have better stats than me, but you really aren’t even close and I’m average, Italian 12.7s are a joke lmao “muh he filler” yeah I’d rather actually penetrate and do damage than yellow the fuselage, I’ve gotten more kills with them than you and I can promise they’re terrible with worse damage and velocity.
You seriously just have a very tenuous gasp on this game yet you think you know it better than players with better stats, literally dunning-kruger
Overperforming HE filler just means that Italian 12.7mm are somewhat comparable to US .50cals instead of being outright worse.
But even then you have to take the stealth belt to get not just 1/3 HE bullets.
They deal more damage but they also have worse ballistics so it’s not as easily to score hits with them.
While US .50cals are faster and deal more kinetic damage with their AP rounds.
Yesterday I was going for a Yak-3, opened fire in a high deflection shot at close range, accidentally opened the map while doing so and still sawed of his wing in the blink of an eye, without precise aim.
Flying the F8F.
The main advantage of the Italian .50cals is that they are mounted above the engine so you have effective firepower regardless of range, while on US planes you basically have to decide between good Long or short range firepower, depending on the convergence.
they do not deal more damage, the he filler doesn’t overperform. and the advantage is Americans get 6 vs Italian 2 lol, your point doesn’t really matter as much as that
the Italian ones are just the worse I’ve ever used, worse than Japanese which are still worse than American, it’s just not worth it to put he on such a small round the compromises ruin it
American 12.7s will blow that ring off much easier from further away due to better ballistics and damage, I’ve gotten a lot of kills with the Italian 12.7s at 6.0 and they’re very much far worse than m2s, the he filler is a meme it does less than ap
the protection analysis is not good to say the least
and the RoF of the italian 50.cals is way worse
so the difference in dmg will not do anything
and like said before the american ones have better balistics and more ammo
