i skimmed thru ur text and it just sum up to u complaining about players using 4.7 F8F to bomb instead of dog fighting and you worded it like it’s as good as yak-3U or something, which it isnt, and yes it can carry bomb and so what? none of the thing you mentioned made a valid point to raise the BR at all
I havent played this plane in a long time and if I remember correctly, it’s an okay plane at best
F8F-1 is the same exact plane but with 20mm guns, and it’s doing fine at 6.0 or whatever its BR is.
This babysitting of US players needs to stop, which is why this thread exists. cheerio.
having some of the best 20mms in the game, and having the worst 12.7mm in the game is a massive difference. The F8F-1 is free food for any half competent pilot.
Lmao. U.S. has one of the worst piston air trees in the game, especially in a Yak and Spitfire environment.
thats just wrong
not on 4.7 idk if you mean the 6.0 one or not
US piston fighters that are good:P-51C-10 at 3.7, A-36 at 2.7, F4U1-A at 2.7, F4U4 at 4.3 this list goes on and on
name a better one.
Soviet Berezins are better
Italian Bredas are better
German 13mm are better
Japanese Hoe-103 are better
^^^
Every single one of those has HE filler.
The only “worse” 12.7mm is the Swedish one, but it’s literally a renamed Browning anyways. Heck, even then, Sweden has a 13.2mm which is better than the Browning.
Both.
The P-51C-10, P-51, P-51H-5, and F4U-4 are good.
The F4U-1A and A-36 are decent for a major nation low tier. Aside from the four planes listed above, the U.S. piston tree is either mediocre (P-38, F-82, F6F) or just bad (XF5F, P-51D-5, F8F).
In comparison, ARB is highly dominated by USSR, Britain, and Japan with Germany coming close behind. The rest of the nations primarily field copy paste (Israel, China, Italy, Sweden, France), which leaves America in the bottom 5 along with the minor nations.
Now, in all fairness, I do consider the P-47s to be very good planes, but that doesn’t seem to be a popular opinion.
you’re not the guy to comment on how good stuff is, you lack ability to do well in American aircraft ig because they’re solid though out the entire game, American 12.7s are literally some of the best lmao
I have the majority of the Soviet, Germany, and U.S. air piston trees researched, in addition to a handful of British and Italian aircraft. I can assure you, U.S. planes are nowhere near the top.
It’s not even a matter of skill as the big three nations are all roughly equal, however only Germany and Russia require any actual brainpower to fight.
no
is this a 50. cal?
and yea 50. cals are underwhelming rn compared with most (i havent used all 20mms so thats why i say most) 20mm cannons that are just onehit monsters but thats more cuz cannons are overperforming in the dmg department rn
at 4.7 it outruns everything on the deck and most likely outclimbs everything and it isnt a total brick
most of them are okay
my friend have you ever played german props? FW190s are just bad unless its the A-1 and the Bf-109s after the E variants are above average at best and not even all of them are above average (G-14 for example is just a G-6 with some high alt performance)
Yes they are. They get HE filler.
iirc, they have same diameter bullet, with the difference in name coming from a difference in how barrel caliber is measured, specifically relating to rifiling.
No, it’s outclimed by most interceptors, especially ones with airspawn. Spitfires and Typhoons both outclimb it.
Yes. The Fw 190 D-9 and Bf 109 G-2 are excellent planes.
i can tell you that they dont
ever thought it might just be their airspawn?
you get outclimbed by most 5.0 aircraft and you cant turn for your life
the F-4 at 4.0 is just better in most if not all regards and you dont get uptiered into 4.7 that often
and the F-4 isnt even that good its a rlly nice aircraft but definitely not even close to some other 4.0 planes
i have used them and i can tell you that the HE filler doesnt make them that great tbh id rather have two MG17s than these and i would in every case say that the brownings are way better
In my duel against, I believe @RDXRooster63 , after the Lena duel, he attempted to “energy fight” me by climbing high and using altitude to his advantage.
The first game he did it, it worked decently well. In the game after that, I too climbed, and outclimbed him which resulted in a 15 minute chase where he pretty much just ran from me until I baited him to get close, and used my altitude to just barely outrun him and shoot him down.
That happened a couple times, I can very confidently say the F8F does not outclimb the Typhoon.
It applies to some without airspawn aswell.
Fw 190 D-9 outclimbs pretty much anything that isn’t a spitty,
I could never get the hang of the F-4.
I guess we gotta disagree there. 12.7mm Bredas have always been a major selling point of the Italian TT to me.
I have not 1v1ed u, I don’t even own a hurricane
Yak-3 (all of them) outclimbs you, P-38 will prob outclimb you, (i could be wrong here)i even think the P-51D-30 might even outclimb you, Yak-9U prob also outclimbs you and prob a lot of other aircarft also do (i dont play 5.0 that much)
Thypoon* (im sorry if this sounds rude)
Oh sorry, it was @RXDimA
Only at low alts.
I’m fairly certain Fw 190 D-9 can outrun those. The only planes I know of that outrun the Fw 190 D-9 are the P-47 and the F4U-4B.
not if they dive and you come out of a climb
and just running will not win you the game
P-51 might also outrun you (not sure here)
they can climb with 109s they definitely can climb with 190s and they outdogfight you
even if they dont know what they are even doing they will win the dogfight
im not sure about this one but you also dont see much P-47s in ARB
I just wonder why the heck this discussion revived.
This discussion just works like Roly-poly toy does.
Someone dismisses the Pangolin, and he stands up again.
“Lookin like true survivor, feelin like a little kid-”
The problem of F8F-1 is just three parts
1- Engine cooling problem if we don’t go MEC (even with it, it has decent climbing capability)
2- 50cal which is not that bad, but has lower firepower compared to other counterparts in nearby BR
(Well, autocannons are indeed easier to cut wings.)
3- bad US main teammates who don’t give a damn about dogfight/energyfight but digging ground for CAS planes.
Always outgunned and outnumbered.
Not F8F-1 herself’s problem.
If 50cal had zero problem, it would’ve 5.7-6.0 BR prop if we think about F8F-1B with 20mm are 6.3BR.
Just… their statistics got doomed.
Why the heck F8F-1 has lower BR than A6M3 mod22ko fr
yea but thats more cuz cannons are just way too powerfull in the dmg department rn and not that 50cals are underperforming in the dmg department so i can at least kind of understand if they make this point (still doesnt rlly justify it being at 4.7)
cuz the A6m3 can just turn and win a fight while the F8F1 needs some brain to work
tbh most zeros are overtiered
Yeah, this is nonsense if we think about some planes such as Ki-61-I Hei, while everyone just think about J2M2 Raiden.
Back in the day when I flew with Spitfires, I loved the moment when A6M BnZ those mustangs, thunderbolts, and corsairs.
And outnumbered by those Hayates at high-alt.
:/
buddy I have all that and then some, and you don’t have any idea what you’re talking about, if you were a good player you’d have better stats than me, but you really aren’t even close and I’m average, Italian 12.7s are a joke lmao “muh he filler” yeah I’d rather actually penetrate and do damage than yellow the fuselage, I’ve gotten more kills with them than you and I can promise they’re terrible with worse damage and velocity.
You seriously just have a very tenuous gasp on this game yet you think you know it better than players with better stats, literally dunning-kruger
Overperforming HE filler just means that Italian 12.7mm are somewhat comparable to US .50cals instead of being outright worse.
But even then you have to take the stealth belt to get not just 1/3 HE bullets.
They deal more damage but they also have worse ballistics so it’s not as easily to score hits with them.
While US .50cals are faster and deal more kinetic damage with their AP rounds.
Yesterday I was going for a Yak-3, opened fire in a high deflection shot at close range, accidentally opened the map while doing so and still sawed of his wing in the blink of an eye, without precise aim.
Flying the F8F.
The main advantage of the Italian .50cals is that they are mounted above the engine so you have effective firepower regardless of range, while on US planes you basically have to decide between good Long or short range firepower, depending on the convergence.