Proposed Churchill nerf is ridiculous

bro what? The british 75 always got M61 APCBC, it just didn’t have HE filler and also had 1 mm less pen because gaijin did the calculation for HEless M61 wrong

Bruh

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It still will get APHE nuked by Tiger 1’s because Gaijin coddles the Germans to the extreme.

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the bad matchups would still be bad BUT it would be a lot more functional as a sniper than it is currently

On what maps?

Sniping doesn’t exist in this game anymore.

I hate to tell you this but mozdok, the “fields of” maps, and sinai still exist. All of the worst maps in the game are sniper maps that are like 85% sightline with absolutely no cover between the points making it impossible to push if you lose point control.

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Those maps don’t appear bellow like 9.0 now for the most part tho.

I wish this were true

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Can’t wait to get slapped by a Tiger II in my TOG.

Such great balance.

The TOG should have moved down by now.

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The tog wont, the 94mm gun is insanely strong and will punch straight through a tiger IIs turret cheeks.

it also only does 9mph, and has armor that legit doesn’t work anymore after Gaijin made it so even 57mm hits to the turret nukes its ammo.

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Talking about the M72 shot. Just basic AP.

It wont. Too good.

Yeah, the 94 actually having good post pen damage while being able to ufp the jumbo is great. Plus the good reload and great turret traverse.

I dont recall having issues like that. Usually the shots take take out the ammo are from the side.

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Where exactly can you kill a churchill using Kv-8?

Tortoise does < 12 mph - let’s drop it to 5.7

ok but why, it had APCBC the entire time. You weren’t using M72 unless you were stock, you were using a neutered M61 that had 1 mm less pen and no HE filler but it was still APCBC

Turret roof. 20mm angled. I’m pretty sure you can .50 cal it to death in an aircraft if your angle is good enough

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I seem to have miss remembered. Though i do remember the upgraded AP round to basically act like an uncap round with how poor it did. The 57 always seemed to do better.

Yeah I really don’t understand why people are shocked. Tank was at 4.7 based on its efficiency for ages. Now a new factor is introduced that dramatically raises that efficiency. What else did they think was gonna happen exactly?

It was busted before the mobility nerfs. Now it’s a bit fairer tbh. It has essentially the same mobility as the Panther D now while having less armour. Before, you could keep up with M18s on some maps, it was crazy.

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It’s the same story with when the Flakpanzer received its APHE shell (increased from 6.3 to 7.0 after receiving it, btw). APHE really does increase performance and often has experienced players dropping down to use the vehicle with its new shell. So you get a double whammy of improved vehicle + experienced players, which no doubt results in BR increases. I think Churchill will be fine at 5.0.

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The 6 pounder is still better than the 75 to be quite honest, a Churchill VII with the 6 pounder would easily be 5.0 material.

I’m not shocked, I’m just annoyed because it really doesn’t need or deserve to be moved up.

and the experienced players factor has gone away, they got bored. Far less 4.7 games in the VII now. And I think the Churchill is going to be far worse at 5.0 because it’s now even MORE likely to face things it literally cannot do anything to.