Dude, there are three F14’s in the game and you are talking about the one with the broken fantasy missiles while arguing that all the F14s should face the top tier jets… Yes… You need to say a lot more…
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I have it and I love stomping F1Cs with it, people in the F1C go so happy because they think it’s invincible ;)
I have it too but I havent used it that much, because I have the premium kfir and usually when I want to fly one I fly that one for obvious reasons. I should try the c7 again. It has a very good rwr so you dont even miss not having a radar too much
They nerfed the RWR, now the Mirage F1 show as AI instead of MF1 … but still good
The Japanese F-5 is also a good counter for F1C-200 ;)
I dont have that one yet…does it have IFF?
Yes, the same or almost the same IFF that Kfir C7 and normal F-5E
That was well said.
At 12.0 - 12.7 Red side is farmed by Tomcats. Vietnam era planes have to fight planes from the 1980s - 1990s. Most of the Vietnam Era aircraft at 12.0 do not have radar warning receivers that give range or missile warnings. Fighting in the 12.0 - 12.7 Br bracket is demoralizing for anyone at the bottom of the tier. Especially when IRCCM missiles are in this bracket. This Br rotation is completely useless at the current time.
The best answer to correct this problem is to create a permanent Br bracket from 12.7 - 13.0. This would force period appropriate fighters to face each other. Players on the red side would access to semi active missiles and would face vehicles with semi active missiles most of the time. The best way to balance the F15A, F16ADF, JAS39A, and F14 B is to bring the first generation SU27/J11 and SU 33 down to 13.0. This would also provide an intermediate tier for players to get used to IRCCM missiles and evading semi active missiles. Also the F14 A, Iranian F14, and the Mirage 2000 s4/s5 should be 12.7 fighters. The f14 is perfectly suited for this Br with plenty of competition. This would make a very dynamic Br bracket.
The 13.3 -14.0 should be a permanent Br Bracket to allow planes with fully active missiles to face each other. The planes with semi active missiles are severely disadvantaged by losing lock while having to notch. The Su 27/J11 and Su33 with only R27ER are losing to look and shoot MICA-EM and the endless spam of Aim 120A/B.
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They should stay with in 12.7 - 13.0 the thermals and rwr of the F14 A would make it laughable above 13.0. It would get farmed. The F14 is really just an F15 A Without Irccm and the Aim54. Since all planes from 12.7 - 13.0 have rwr that can detect a phoenix launch, it becomes an easy missile to evade and navigate. I’m saying this as a person that uses the tomcat and fights against the tomcat. The Phoenix is only effective against new players and Vietnam era planes.
I dont agree about it. Playing against a phoenix is incrredibly boring not because the missile itself is unavoidable, but because what it does to the gameplay. When you face an f14 and you do not have fox3 you can never play the aggressor. You have to constantly stay on the notch, and if you exit it for any reason you’re dead.
On the contrary, the f14 doesnt even need to risk anything, he can just spam missiles then go home, no matter if they hit or not. It’s a low risk high reward environment for f14 while it’s the opposite for everyone else. That’s why I’d love it in a different environment, where maybe it can face other fox3 planes that are not on par with top tier aircraft, like for example harrier +.
I understand that an f14 cannot face top tier planes every match, it would get destroyed, but if we put every gen4 fox1 only plane between 12.7 and 13.0 we could then have a 13.3 br with “bad” fox3 slingers like the f14, and ofcourse we would need a rotation where 13.3 is top tier to allow those planes to be used at least once a week.
12.7 - 13.0 would be a great sand box for semi actives and the 3 outliers that have fox 3. That would be the F14, F4 ICE, Kifir (derby).
Those 3 are really too good for that br. playing against them is annoying. For example, when playing Italy if I was sensible I would only play the harrier at 13.0 instead of the f16A, because the harrier is objectively better.
Imho we should keep fox1 and fox 3 separate, but allow them to meet at least once a week, so that we cna have both what you say and what I say. Everyone happy!
They arent too good for the Br. I kill them all the time in a Mirage 2000s4 or F15A in all vs all games.
You can kill them, but they have a huge advatage and it’s not fun to play against them. And with all respect, you’re a US main, you might have faced them at times in all v all, but that’s a different kind of match because you have allies on your team that can put pressure even if you yourself dont have fox3. I completely understand what you mean, because sometimes I play with f16adf at 13.0 (italian) and I also get matches that are quite balanced even if I dont have fox 3 myself.
But when you play blu vs red at 12.7 and 13.0 it’s a very different (and much more unfair) scenario, that, to put it simply, is not fun to play for the red team.
I dont think the answer is to weaken blue side. Instead i think that placing the Su27, Su33 and J11 at 13.0 would give blue side a respectable challenge.
It’s already been a 12.0 before and got shit on broseph, if it goes back it’s gonna be facing shit like the F-14 again, which is not good.
The A-10C does have the IFF HMD system, which is great, but I don’t feel it calls for a BR jump. It’s MAWS is a 360° system IIRC, which something at a lower BR has a 180° top cover semi-dome, should have an HMS, and a much higher speed. That being the SU-24M, which should also have the R-73’s, but if it received all of those it would probably only still be the same BR as the A-10C because it’s still a lot better.
Having bad planes with Fox 3 is really boring… if you fly a good plane without fox 3, 80% of the times you engage someone you have to stop because you have to evade a Fox 3.
Yes, you can have good results with F15. F16, M2K, etc … but this is a game, not war, and if it’s not fun I’m not gonna play. If I wanted to be pissed off, I’would go to real war. XD
With the normal F14 was a small problem, but now with fakours, AMRAAM, Derby, RB99 … it’s a nightmare, it’s non stop spammers
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F-14 spammers believe that a simple BR adjustment is not enough to solve the problem.
From their perspective, they choose the F-14 not because it is “strong” but because it is “easy”.
What is important to them is how easy the work is.
Just like you can’t convince a gambling addict that you can earn more by working hard, they are under the illusion that a rare kill obtained by chance by simply pressing a button is more valuable than a sure result obtained by struggling with the controls.
In fact, if we only consider the performance of the aircraft, the Mirage2000C and F-4EJ Kai can compete with the F-14.
The problem is that the crowds flocking to the sweet nectar of the F-14 create an overwhelming difference in numbers.
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For adding insult to the injury in 11.7, they added infinite flares to tge JA37D, adn sweeden and france always go toguether, so now you have to face magic 2 and a plane with doppler radar and Fox 1, that’s inmune to Fox 2. A single small flare, while afterburning, and the misiles goes for the flare.
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It’s not my intention to weaken the blue side. Blue side has many planes that are currently not meta because F14 are at a lower br than they should. A good example are the previously named f16 or the f20, or even the f15A. Those planes can be used, but they are now the suboptimal choice compared to fox3 carriers. Im particularly pissed of because of the f16 adf that I really like to fly, and it makes no sense that it has a higher br than a f14 with phoenixes or fakour.
About the Viggen: yes of course the f14 needs to be moved up for it to make sense
About the A-10: consider that most of the planes it faces dont even have a pd mode on radar. It has a better SA than any other plane at that br, and a 360° MAW means it’s impossible to kill with missiles, and aim9m are the icing on the cake. Imho of all the planes in the game, that s one that needs to be moved up ASAP. Even if it was only a pve environment, with the amount of gps bombs it can carry a single a-10 can empty an AI battle with one pass, leaving no targets for other players in the same team. I wont talk about the su24m because I havent tried it yet, but I never had problems when playing against it. I’m not fully aware of its capabilities tho, so it might need a br change too, i dont know.
And in the number of fox3 in flight at any given time. Playing at 12.7 on red team is like trying to win a sniper battle but you only have a knife.