Agreed.
Not mine, found after a quick google. But clear proof that the Leopard 2A4 is too strong and should go to 10.7.
because a single game proves consistent performances or something - oh wait. it doesn’t.
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If the A4 goes up to 10.7 then it gets DM33 and the Type 90 and TKX go to 11.7
ok thats probably the worst take ive heard in a bit
The type 90 is not anything above 11.0 material currently
The Tkx is more debatable since its got way way better sights but also worse armour
Dude why do you even bother posting anything if you aren’t playing the game ?
I haven’t seen so many false information in a single post for a long long time.
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“Dude why do you even bother posting anything if you aren’t playing the game ?”
I literally posted my stats multiple times, so why are you posting false information?
Tell me more how 2A4 can’t see 9.3 or how 2S25M is 9.3 while being manually loaded.
At least get your arguments straight before writing something, this got pretty hard to read.
If people have 10.0-3 vehicles and 9.3-7 in their line up, then sure you’ll see some 9.3-7 vehicles. But to make the claim that a 10.3 tank drops a full tier, to 9.3 and ONLY faces 9.3 vehicles for a match is so laughable it’s just sad and shows you dont play 10.3 that often.
The 2S25M has a reload rate of 7.1 seconds flat, aced or not, doesn’t matter HOW it is loaded, it doesn’t drop to 4.0 seconds like a certain 11.0 nation. I could care less about other tanks that are 9.3, 9.7 that have high penetration values for their rods and with 7.1 second long reloads, those vehicles are not 11.0 tanks dropping a full 0.7 tiers and murdering an entire lobby with 3 vehicles that reload in 4 seconds flat and dish out 481mm of pen with every shot which no tank from any nation can survive.
You came in here making false accusations about how much I play (P.S. its daily) you already proved you lack credibility. Feel free to climb up on your high horse and knit pick the things I’ve said because you think that’ll somehow invalidate my original claim.
Because clearly this thread is about “Russian vehicles their BRs and long reloads and how the A4 gets a full down tier because someone says so.”
So when you fabricate claims about people not owning vehicles we should take you seriously?
It is worth noting that this concept exists at 8.0/8.7 allready
Edit: if it isn’t obvious, its the Strv 103 where the C gets a dart
and worse acceleration, for some reason
That is a fact, you do not own any Leopard 2 A4s on the German tech tree, having a swedish line up with other backup vehicles such as CAS or AA for that nation doesnt mean youll have even remotely the same experience as a German main.
Im sure this happens for 8.0/7 but this thread isnt about 8.0.
Sweden also has to face japan with their leo 2A4
Not always, they are sometimes on the same team. if they are even IN that match which they usually are not.
So when i use the 2a4 in the swedish tree to get a nuke while its not spaded. It doesn’t count as owning the vehicle?
It being the sole vehicle spawned in that match
I thought this was about the Leopard 2A4 facing 11.0 and higher vehicles? What Auxiliary vehicles one can potentially bring has no bearing on how one would experience the 2A4
Are you seriously claiming that Sweden performs the same as Germany?
I also highly doubt you got a nuke facing 11.0 Japan.
The identical 2A4 and the identical strv 121 (a 2A4) performs identically to the German 2A4.
Im not talking about lineups, teams, or anything else. Im commenting on the tools the 2A4 has at its disposal to deal with vehicles up to 11.7. For which it has in my experience, no issues.
Which isn’t odd given you can throw a 9.3 dart MBT at 11.7 and with the exception of armor and loosing consistency in some weakspots its fine. Not equal footing offcourse
Honestly would likely be fine. Issue would at least ln the past would be getting games with Japan in it for it to be statistically likely.
What even is this argument? 11.0 Type 90 is just as good against 10.3 as the 10.0 Leopard PT-16 would be against 9.3, this is just how BRs work.
And guess what, if the Type 90 faces 11.7 it struggles too, having to aim very carfully with the sub-par pen of JM33. It is not immune to uptiers like any other vehicle.
While this compression is an issue, it is about equally as much of an issue for each vehicle in the game.
Yea you didn’t get a nuke against 11.0 uptier though, your chances would have been slim to say the least. The A4 does fine at 10.3 hence why people can drop nukes with it, but to claim that dropping a nuke is purely based on a tanks performance and nothing else is not a good one.
Nukes entirely depend on who you are facing as an opponent and who you have on your team if they have CAS if the enemy has CAS etc. I’ve seen people drop nukes with Weasel 1A4s that doesnt mean its a good tank for 7.0, I’ve even killed Turms and M1 Abrams with it, but that doesn’t mean it should face full uptiers.
The only time I have ever gotten a nuke in the A4 was with USA on my team, it took over 10 minutes, wasn’t an uptier, and I had to drop 12 kills total. USA has very OP CAS and i was lucky to have them on my team.