Come on, show us when this so called “ER domination” took place. Show us with stats when red team wasnt suffering. We re all waiting to see those revealing statistics.
The one and only truth as SHOWN BY STATISTICS is that red team loses most of the times, and it happens reliably, around 70% of the times. Wheneve you get into a match you can be positive that you’ll win if you’re blue and you’ll lose if you’re red.
Till now I’ve seen people arguing about stuff that only exists in thoughts, nothing actually based in reality. I ve seen people arguing who has the fastest missile, people arguing about supposed “skill issues” applied not to an individual but to a huge chunk of players, as if you were assuming that people that play red only play red and people that play blue only play blue.
Has it ever crossed your mind that maybe, just maybe, people playing blue are also playing red and vice versa? Is skill changing basing on the team you choose at the moment, or is skill still the same, but one of the teams is harder to play?
The saddest part of all of this is that I am NOT seeing is somebody pushing forth any proof on the table that red team was thriving. Instead, there is plenty of evidence of the contrary.
And you know what? Im very pissed about this. Because I would like to play my F-16 more, I would like to try out my F-15 but guess what? Because games are unbalanced, you CANNOT find a match when playing with blue side, because of course nobody wants to get kicked on red side.
So either you play lobby simulator, or you give up on playing, and this SUCKS. And it will always be this way until red team doesnt get some more love.
I PLAY ALL NATIONS AND I WANT TO KEEP DOING IT
But I cannot do it, if one side gets contantly kicked down. It breaks the whole matchmaker. It’s not about being a fanboy dfor one side or the other. It’s about wanting a functional game.
Yeah sure buddy, so when I play blue I know how to evade missiles and when i play red I dont. of course. It’s so obvious. And it’s the same for everyone, when they play blue they immediately become skilled, while when they play red they immediately lose any kind of awareness. I see no weak point in this argument.
Entire time after Mig-21SMT released to MiG-23MLD stomps till F-14A comes out.
I suppose that you don’t even know that why the Roland SAM system is introduced in air SB. At that time, F-4C w/o flare face against Mig-21SMT with 30g R-60, F-4E against MiG-21bis with R-60M, PD radar without IFF functuonality against Mig-23 unrealistic MFD radar, R24T/R
Yes, those time redfor players were always full of session, stomping blue airbase, which introducing Roland SAM and Radar SPAA to SB Airbase for denying spawn killing, and i saw it most close place, since I WAS GAIJIN EMPLOYREE.
You re talking about what, 4 years ago?
But here we re talking about what has been going on in the last 2 years. Your example goes back to a time where most of the missiles and planes we talked about wasn’t even in the game.
The problem with red team in my opinion came about around the Danger Zone update, more or less. Before that everything was different, and many things got worse even more recently. For example, when they made rwr more realistic they indirectly nerfed almost every red plane available.
Things change so fast in this game but this specific problem came about in the last two years, and people here, you included, were talking about plames and game mechanics added in the last two years!
And it s undeniable that red is suffering now. Of course it doesn’t mean it wasn’t the strongest at some point in the past. In wt we ve seen everything!
You say that only the red team leaves the fight when it is not able to resist the blue, but that’s what all the players in the game do. Here, the blue team came out of the fight in full force as soon as they encountered a small problem.
More of you’re being arrogant…like Red’s typically are. Go into a top tier match and count how many aircrafts of each side actually go up to high altitudes where their missiles effective. Go see how mamy people die by an Aim-9E or Aim-9B. Two easy to evade missiles since all you jave to do is turn. Go and actually see how many die to the lesser missiles conpared to your better missiles. Go see how many try to make their worse missile (R-77) turn into enough of a threat that the Blue has to keep evading and gives you the R-27ET shot. See how many people use the ET, so far I’ve only seen a select few recognize it as possibly the Ref’s best weapon. See how many evade using mountains.
Ya see just yesterday i was in a match with a 20-3 k/d. I was in fact going off as the youngin’s would say. However on the enemy team they had an Su-27Sm going with a 16-5 k/d. Is it as good as my k/d in that match, no but its really dang close (techniqually i had a 20-3 since weirdly an F-16C shot me down with an Aim-120 at the end). And that ine guy wasnt alone, there was a secknd guy using R-27ET and R-73 perfect getting to a 15-7 k/d i believe. On Blue’s i tbink only one guy was double digit like me with like 11 or 12 kills however last i saw he had 7 deaths. So no, you aren’t at a place where you just have the worse weaponry you just don’t know how to use it effectively. Those guys did and are now a part of 4 people i can say know the Red’s weaponry well.
Learn some skill, whuch includes to learn yiur aircraft, and learn your weaponry and you’d have a much better game. Yes Red Players are the fault of being outnumbered in a 3-1 ratio, most Red players dont know how to employ weaponry nor dodge enemy weaponry, and even up close most Red’s don’t know bfm. That is what they need to learn.
During my short acquaintance with the *com forum, I got the impression that this is a familiar manner of communication among local residents. The motto of the *com forum is zero constructive, maximum trolling.
Except I play ALL NATIONS. I dont know how long I have to explain it. I opened this thread because the matchmaker is screwed, and it is screwed because red team from 9.7 onward is usually in a disadvantage. And no, it s not a matter of skill. If you check my profile I do well on planes from every nation.
The problem is that, simply put,playing red is much harder and it prevents people from grinding the tree, thus exacerbating the problem of low player count.
And again, because I play ALL NATIONS I can guarantee you that the skill level is the same, no matter the nation. Blue team tends to win more just because currently blue planes are easier to use, and that s it.
I find it funny that you will write thousands of words about how players have skill issues when you have not improved at all in the past year and still think of yourself as some definitive source of information.
The part where you’re wrong is how others play an aircraft. For example, a player flying the F-104 acting likes its an F-5…not exactly iptimal for that aircraft.
Same for the Red’s and the majority if players who fly Red Aircraft. The Mig-29 can turn similar to the F-16 (F-16 still outrates by like .1-.3 secinds i think thiugh) however in order to do that you have to fly at 611-833kph whuch rarely anyone does instead they bleed all their energy in one turn. The R-77 while worse in range gets a lot better the higher the altitude and the faster you are just like any Fox-3 (would still not have the range of the Aim-120 but it makes the R-77 become a threat). R-27ET’s not being recognized by the majority of Red players. The fact that so many fire R-73’s at ranges effective for Aim-9M’s when the R-73 excels a lot closer.
And while i will agree same skill level across the board (which was never the argument, just because you’re in another tech tree doesn’t mean aerodynamics and physics change), the Red players typically do not have the same skill level as the Blue’s. This leads to Aim-120 just staying dominant and R-77’s being no threat since the Red’s stay low to the ground where they keep the R-77 even more useless, leading to more deaths for the Red’s, which leads to Red’s leaving a match because they don’t know any better even if it was told to them.
Do i know you? Also bfm wise im at least better than mist in this game only gunned down twice by the Griphen now whcu was supposed to be the big bad. Never said i was the goat or anything, just was saying Red’s don’t even have my skill level of bfm which ain’t hard to reach…seriously when i teach others to rate the Mig-29 it takes lile 10 minutes tops
Edit: will also note its funny you cherry picked that line and said “funny you haven’t gotten better” when just prior said i got a 20-3 k/d…hard to get past that when everyone just leaves
How hard is it for you to admit that the level of play of the red team is no different from the blue team, because they are the same people. This is ridiculous.
Every time the issue of imbalance is raised on the forum, supporters of the OP side claim that the problem is in the opponent’s playing skills. And each time such stories end the same way: developers collect statistics and solve the problem in their own way.
The main problem of the imbalance in SB is the bugs of the mode. Points are simply deducted from the red team for no reason. No one wants to lose. It’s easier to join the winners than to fight the windmills. If you want to let the situation take its course, the flag is in your hands, but then you should not complain on the forum about unfair nerfs in the future.
Agsin, it s not that red players play worse…it s that red planes and weapons are generally less effective / harder to use.
If you take a random player and give him f16c he s going to do much better on average than if you give him a su27 sm.
How often? 70% of the times.
Skill doesn’t matter wjheb talking large numbers. No matter how you try to put it, the problem is in the planes themselves and their Br.
On a personal level skill is indeed fundamental. On big numbers it isnt. Have you ever heard of an army winning because they were more skilled? Or are armies that win simply usually well more equipped?
Didn’t i just say that it does take the same skill since physics doesn’t xhange depending on the aircraft, physics stays the same?
And from what i’ve been saying has been a thing for a long time. Again, going back to the Aim-9M and even to the F-16A.
For example. There was a time where R-60M and Aim-9L were somewhat hard to flare (where you needed like 5-7 flares to now where it only needs 1 flare). Thing is people conplained about the Aim-9L for some reason even if it performed exactly like the R-60M. This caused only the Aim-9L to be flared off by a single flare no matter the aspect. F-16 players retaliated and then all Fox-2’s got nerfed to where it is now. This was when there wasn’t inheritantly a better one over the other, however Red’s complained and only cared that now they had the OP missile.
Then go to Aim-9M. Well the R-27ER still hit further, faster, and slightly less multipath issues (simetimes just straight up ignoring multipath) which lead to the R-27ER to be more dominant however the Red’s complained about Aim-9M even if the Aim-9am couldn’t fire if you preflared. And again not one was inharently better just the r-73 was good up close and Aim-9M was good from afar. However they wanted the Aim-9M more flarable so dit could be flared just like a 9L.
Now to get to the losing. Gaijin…i mean they “balanced” it before for Blue’s since again Blue’s would suffer deaths twice as more. Look at the majority of people with high tier aircraft in both Russian and American then you’d see the Russian had 2x the k/d of their American aircraft. So they specifically gave Blue’s more targets sych as attackers, bombers, and surveillance which of course effects the Red’s win rate. Thats another big part other than people just straight up leaving
Because I have seen you in-game and you still make the exact same mistakes. People I have taught in the last 6 months have won 1v1 against you as well.
I think i dogfight like 1 or 2 people that actually beat me. One was a Griphen player who decided to use low fuel while i had full fuel, later wrecked them when i lowered my fuel to even things out to just aircraft and skill level. Then a Mirage-2k when i was in an F-5C…yeah thise two are the only ones to “1v1” me (Griphen player and I went real 1v1 and into a private match, Mirage-2k player was just some random guy that was mad idid well in the F-14).
There is Feet Pics who doesn’t like me but tbh he’s only good at spamming every R-73 he can…we had like one good fight that got interupted since it was in a match and someone killed him and me (yeah i got friendly fired lol)
Edit: Also i’ve never seen you since that dogfight. Sooooo, idk if ya saw the same person.
