Please Gaijin, help Red Team

It’s been going on for years now, but it s getting worse with every patch. Red Team (=russian side) at higher tiers needs HELP in sim as soon as possible.
First, here Im gonna write what is going on right now:

-Red teams are almost always smaller compared to blue teams, and not just by 1 or 2 people, but many times they might be 6 or 7 people LESS than blue team. This is likely both caused and effect of what will follow below

-BR that need to be revised: fighters for red team usually sit higher in br compared to where they should be staying. For example, red team doesnt have any regular fighters that has flares and missiles between 9.3 up till 11.0 where mig21 smt currently sits. This is a BIG issue and needs to be addressed. Blue team can play with impunity at these BR because there is nothing that can really be dangerous to them. Their ground attackers are incredibly well armed and, as said before, red planes often dont have flares to defend against all aspect IR missiles or even against hig performing rear aspect missiles, like aim9g. Also, blue team has several very proficient fighters at these br, like the F8 for example, that can simply fly uncontested. Even at higher tiers there are unexplicable differences in BR, for example in the current rotation where 13.0 is top bracker, blue team has acces to f16, f15, f14 and AV8 (with amraam) while red team is limited to the first mig29 variant. There is no reason why a su-27 should be higher in br than any of those planes.

-Lack of efficient bombers: we all know that many players use sim to grind points with bombs. Blue side is incredibly efficient with this, and phantoms and f-111 can easily be used for this purpose with great effect. Red team doesnt have any plane that can perform equally to those on blue team, thus making it harder to grind the red tree itself, which in turn leads to fewer and fewer player the higher in br you go

-Lack of efficient attackers: air to ground weapons on red side are, simply put, inferior to anything blue side has. To make an example, an a7 at 10.0 has access to mavericks and walleyes. These weapons are incredibly efficient and much easier to use compared to anything read team has. To see a similarly good attacker on red side, you need to wait up to the su25t, which is the only red attacker that has a pod (with a free camera and the ability to zoom in) and a number of guided weapons comparable to what blue team has a full 1.0 BR below. This also NEEDS to change. Mind also that r-73 are NOT a problem against blue team, because, as stated before, blue team planes almost always have flares available.

What is needed?
We need this issue to be addressed. Right now playing red is usually a guaranteed defeat. It’s frustrating for red players and it damages the community overall, because with few people wanting to play red it means that there are less games where blue team players can access. It means long waits for a blue team player before finding a match, and a one way only match for red players that almost always ends in defeat. In my opinion, the issues above all need to be solved in order to have a more healthy sim matchmaker.

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Soviet playercounts drop slightly: “Dead!”

Edit: In-case you don’t get the criticism in the post…
I’m saying just cause the playercounts drop slightly doesn’t mean the Soviets are in a poor state.

Mig-29SMT is still one of the best sim aircraft in the game.

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I dont agree. F-15 has aim9m that are better than R-73 in most engagements. Being smokeless makes them incredibly hard to avoid.
R27ER is indeed a better missile than an Aim7F, but the difference is not enough to justify a higher BR, also considering that in a dogfight both f5 and f16 can outmaneuver a su-27, so I would say that they are fairly matched and should stay at the same BR. Remember also that F-14 and AV8+ sit at that BR and they also have access to fox-3, and they can obviously outrange any R27 missile.
And, other than that, the real problem remains: if you dont give su-27 to red team, how can they fight blue team? With basic Mig29? Of course they are not enough.

They cannot load as much as a phantom, and they dont have the avionics and weaponry that a phantom has. If a bomb-truck phantom is engaged, he can drop all his bombs and still have 4 fox1 and 4 fox2, plus advanced avionics and radar. Su-17 and 22 can do some fighting but they are not comparable to phantoms both in armament and in the avionics department.

You need to dive, identify the target when your close, fire a single missile and keep it in front of your muzzle until it hits. Not even comparable to a single strafe from an a7 that can launch 6 mavericks + one walleye with just one passage. Not even the su25t is as efficient as that, because all its weapons except 2 if I remember correctly need laser guidance, so can only be dropped one at a time.

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Yeah, I agree. The ground sim queue is hilarious in certain setup, where soviets have terrible vehicles against superiour NATO vehicles, and even adding chinese vehicles didn’t help a lot. I remember 20 min queue just to get into battle with 6v6.

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Ay yo Hol UP what do you all say about U.S Ground? We bad at the game? Guess what, you all are bad at flying.

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Agree

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Maybe you had a bad game, I see from you’re answer that you’re pissed. However, I am not a Red main, in fact I have every top tier in game except for china and israel. I see from your stats that you have almost no experience with red planes.
You’ve never used them in sim, so, simply put, you dont have enough experience to understand what I’m talking about. And no, obviously amraams and phoenix both outrange the r27. This is something you re writing out of spite.
Chill, try to play Red, then come back and you’ll have a wider perspective about the problem.

This topic is not for random complains but to highlight an existing problem. If there are so few red players, there’s a reason. More than one actually, as I stated in the beginning.

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In ground, the situation is even worse. Takes 10 minutes to get a match (yes, I know this is not unusual) because there are usually like 2 or 3 “Red” players versus a dozen “Blue” players queuing for a game.

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Ah, so the problem is not only related to air sim…it’s even worse that what it seemed.

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Depends, in 10_2 red side better and there you need time to find few blue team guys
In 11_2 nearly to same amount of ppl
9_2 maybe some imbalance to blue side
8_2 - idk, red team massive skill issue
8_2_2 same as 8_2

“invisible missile is useless in sim where you look from claustrophobic cockpit”

Yeah sure buddy.

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You need to play using them. Battling against something is not enough to understand what the balance between the two is. To find out you need to use both, maybe that’s why you believe R27 to be so powerful. Having never used them, you dont know how your opponent can counter them. Get the Bison maybe, so you can try them out, or put a talisman on your mig23.

I know, it makes you want to flip your desk at times XD

I play both sides and players are generally equally skilled (and unskilled) on both sides, at least if we re talking about players that are actually playing, so not including people that are mindlessly bombing

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Thats enough.
27ER still faster than phoenix, amraam, with superior/same range from equal start alt and speed. Ghraps, based on datamine also proves that.

27R from bison is on level with 7F/M, not interesting.
German air is dead, at least until EFT will come

No, you just dont need that, when theres bunch of better simulators, at least in gameplay part.

Theres joke - ppl not skilled enough, even to preflare 9M.
27ER was better than sparrow in everything, and thats reason, why ppl played.

Now they need to use their 2 braincells to notch missiles, maybe thats boring for them.
Btw, theres not so massive gap in balance, at least for just leaving

Like, 120 better in BVR, 77 better in WVR. And thats fine, soviets still can use 27ER, to outrange and shot down faster, than Amraam and others.

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Well, you do you, I’m not gonna try to convince you. Thank you for your contribution.

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Mate… in 11.7 brackets, your balanced opposition CANT even face you. The hell you are talking about. You have ML/MLDs against non PD phantoms and if you fly with france on your side, other side has literally nothing, they absolutely neutered blue side for majority of rotation in that BR bracket.

Wtf are you smoking? It rivals fox3s in range and if employed correctly, can go toe to toe with them at range. It absolutely dwarfs Aim-7s. If ER aint better than 7F to justify BR increase, i guess its time to move F4S/J to 11.7 as 7F with their radar aint that much better than R-24R. We should move down F15A, give it 9Ls and let it be 12.7 considering 29 with ER is 12.7.

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+1

I always bring R-27ERs even in my Su-27SM. It doesn’t rival the AMRAAM in range, the ER outranges the AMRAAM by a lot.

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At that bracket phantoms have PD and aim7F that are superior to 24R.
Also, the only mig23 that can pick up PD signals on rwr is the MLD, so every other mig23 can easily be killed with fox-1.
Third, mig23 cannot switch between regular search and MTI making it harder to use the r24r efficiently. This said, the MLD is still a very good plane but I wouldnt say it’s the best one at that br and for sure it has a lot of very strong opposition in phantoms J/S, kfir, viggen and mirage f1. Saying that “opposition can’t face you” means you havent tried all the possible oppositions.

If we re talking range, aim7F and r27ER have very similar range, what makes the ER stronger is its faster speed. But again it s not THAT much stronger to justify a higher BR, and for sure it cannot go against fox3. A fox 3 allows you to go cold as soon as the misisle go pitbull. It’s not even a game comparing amraam to r27…

What I keep seeing here is people that only main Blue Team, have never played Red or have tried few games, and complain. Please dont write if you’re not experienced with both sides.

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lol

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You dont even play sim, what are you doing here? RB is completely different. The experience between RB and sim doesnt translate.

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