I don’t think they’re equal in performance. I think I said as much. Or at least I hope I did. But the performance difference isn’t as much a problem with how ARB is currently played. The lower range doesn’t mean much when the vast majority of sparrow launches occur within 10km of the target, if not less. Anything more, and anyone with reasonable experience could dodge or multipath it.
Honestly, the issue is that in current air battles, most of the issues you have with the FG.1 and FGR.2 just aren’t there for the average player. HMD or not doesn’t matter when everyone is headon-ing at Mach “I don’t care if I live”.15 while effectively kissing squirrels at the treetops. Turning performance stops mattering when missiles start doing circus tricks to hit you. For most people playing, the British Phantoms are good enough.
(Not that this matters either, but all relavent F-4s are in the same class. The Tornado GR.4 and F-15 is like comparing apples to celery.)
Mode: Air RB
Vehicle: Westland Welkin
Recommendation: BR 4.7 (keep BR but give it an interceptor spawn)
Reasoning:
British twin engine day fighters have as only nation in wt an unfair advantage vs all other twin engine fighters at Rank III or higher as those have either an interceptor or an strike aircraft air spawn at 1km - but Britain has somehow 6 (!!!) twin engine day fighters with a 2 km air spawn.
This spawn advantage makes them on average way more effective than other “heavy fighters”.
Most people don’t know that currently just these 6 British twin engine day fighters have an Air Superiority fighter role and an air spawn at 2 km altitude:
Westland Welkin at BR 4.7
Whirlwind + premium Whirlwind at BR 3.7
Hornet Mk I (premium) + Hornet Mk III at BR 6.0
Mosquito F.Mk. II (Norway) at BR 3.7
Across all other TTs the 1 km higher (compared to interceptor spawn) air superiority fighter spawn aircraft are either night fighters (Do 217s, Mosquito NF Mk II / J 30 and 2 P-61s) or 2 low BR 2.3 Potez aircraft (630/633) accompanied by the BR 1.7 (all Air RB) Do 17 Z-1.
Vehicles: Merkava 3B/C & Raam Sagol
Change: Buff the reload to 5 seconds ace
Right now the 11.3 Merkavas are in a weird spot. Non existent armor, poor mobility but decent gun handling. Therefore I would suggest to improve the reload on these Merkavas to be in line with the top tier ones as I would finally make them stand out in something on their respective BR
Even fired at sub 10km, the Aim-7Fs retain significantly more energy, meaning they have a better time to target.
F-4S vs FGR2, the F-4S can fire first, from further away and still hit first.
I have never once mentioned the HMD because I agree. Though I will mention the Agile Eagle the F-4S has.
Right?
So the F-4J, F-4S, let alone the Tornado F3, all of which have straight up better missiles… will naturally do better then?
It all boils down with the fact that the FGR2 gets NOTABLY better SARH missiles and can run 6 of them at a BR where IR missiles, let alone rear-aspect IR missiels are basically worthless to carry.
Right? So you are now forced defensive? There are 2 ways to win a joust
Kill the target before they can kill you
force them into a defensive posture where you then have the advantage with guns or SRAAMs
If the Aim-7F has forced you to turn cold to defend, because you owuld loose the joust otherwise… then you have still won that joust.
Just ignoring the fact that they have notably better kinematic performance at these ranges too?
In May F-4S is higher than the FGR2 and nearly identical to the FG1
In April, F-4S is higher than the FG1 and the F-4J is higher than the FGR2.
Consistantly at the moment the F-4S is better or at worse, on-par, which, given just how bad F-4S players are… let alone US premium players… shows just how badly the UK Phantoms are actually performing, because if they were as good as you say, they would be notably higher than the historically, very poor performing US premiums.
Mode: Air RB
Vehicle: Westland Whirlwind (TT and premium)
Recommendation: BR 3.7 (keep BR but give it an interceptor spawn)
Reasoning:
British twin engine day fighters have as only nation in wt an unfair advantage vs all other twin engine fighters at Rank III or higher as those have either an interceptor or an strike aircraft air spawn at 1km - but Britain has somehow 6 (!!!) twin engine day fighters with a 2 km air spawn.
This spawn advantage makes them on average way more effective than other “heavy fighters”.
Most people don’t know that currently just these 6 British twin engine day fighters have an Air Superiority fighter role and an air spawn at 2 km altitude:
Westland Welkin at BR 4.7
Whirlwind + premium Whirlwind at BR 3.7
Hornet Mk I (premium) + Hornet Mk III at BR 6.0
Mosquito F.Mk. II (Norway) at BR 3.7
Across all other TTs the 1 km higher (compared to interceptor spawn) air superiority fighter spawn aircraft are either night fighters (Do 217s, Mosquito NF Mk II / J 30 and 2 P-61s) or 2 low BR 2.3 Potez aircraft (630/633) accompanied by the BR 1.7 (all Air RB) Do 17 Z-1.
F-4S is higher in 3/4 of the past months, and only barely lower in the 1 month it isnt the highest of the 5, though then its only the FG1 and not the more commonly played FGR2 that is lower than the F-4S.
Given the usual difference in quality between the US players and UK players at this point in the grind… That says a LOT about how poorly the UK F-4s are actually doing at the moment. Let alone the difference between a TT player and a premium player.
(Just gunna throw it out there that the Tornado ADVs are ahead by a wide margin, the aircraft where the only thing it can do and do well is BVR and not WVR)
Mode: Air RB
Vehicle: Hornet Mk I (premium)
Recommendation: BR 6.0 (keep BR but give it an interceptor spawn)
Reasoning:
British twin engine day fighters have as only nation in wt an unfair advantage vs all other twin engine fighters at Rank III or higher as those have either an interceptor or an strike aircraft air spawn at 1km - but Britain has somehow 6 (!!!) twin engine day fighters with a 2 km air spawn.
This spawn advantage makes them on average way more effective than other “heavy fighters”.
Most people don’t know that currently just these 6 British twin engine day fighters have an Air Superiority fighter role and an air spawn at 2 km altitude:
Westland Welkin at BR 4.7
Whirlwind + premium Whirlwind at BR 3.7
Hornet Mk I (premium) + Hornet Mk III at BR 6.0
Mosquito F.Mk. II (Norway) at BR 3.7
Across all other TTs the 1 km higher (compared to interceptor spawn) air superiority fighter spawn aircraft are either night fighters (Do 217s, Mosquito NF Mk II / J 30 and 2 P-61s) or 2 low BR 2.3 Potez aircraft (630/633) accompanied by the BR 1.7 (all Air RB) Do 17 Z-1.
Mode: Air RB
Vehicle: Hornet Mk III
Recommendation: BR 6.0 (keep BR but give it an interceptor spawn)
Reasoning:
British twin engine day fighters have as only nation in wt an unfair advantage vs all other twin engine fighters at Rank III or higher as those have either an interceptor or an strike aircraft air spawn at 1km - but Britain has somehow 6 (!!!) twin engine day fighters with a 2 km air spawn.
This spawn advantage makes them on average way more effective than other “heavy fighters”.
Most people don’t know that currently just these 6 British twin engine day fighters have an Air Superiority fighter role and an air spawn at 2 km altitude:
Westland Welkin at BR 4.7
Whirlwind + premium Whirlwind at BR 3.7
Hornet Mk I (premium) + Hornet Mk III at BR 6.0
Mosquito F.Mk. II (Norway) at BR 3.7
Across all other TTs the 1 km higher (compared to interceptor spawn) air superiority fighter spawn aircraft are either night fighters (Do 217s, Mosquito NF Mk II / J 30 and 2 P-61s) or 2 low BR 2.3 Potez aircraft (630/633) accompanied by the BR 1.7 (all Air RB) Do 17 Z-1.
