I got curious regarding the gun on the Bf 109 F-1.
20mm cannon shell (FI-T) hitting the canopy from behind, from literal top down? The pilot lives.
The front one I can accept since there’s armoured glass there doing its job but the top one is just wack.
It’s been bugged for more than a year now.
But Gaijin takes their sweet time to fix issues.
Only Mineshells and AP are worth using.
That also kind of happens with all IAI rounds (I don’t think a firecracker exploding under your skin is healthy in the very short term) and basically all Incediary rounds with to AP, including 20mil I rounds.
Sad to see a best german fighter at 5.7 being a nerfed british plane, lol
I don’t see the problem with the 190’s and definitely not the 109’s which already overperform especially where high speed agility is concerned.
The only aircraft that I feel is underperforming is the D-9. I use AEC on Sim mode which granted could be the limiting factor but on the deck the most I can get from it with 30 mins of fuel is 366mph. According to the old datasheet it should be capable of over 380mph.
are you talking about sim or realistic?
cuz i hear that there is a gigantic difference between how both of these planes perform in sim and rb
for rb we have the (ill talk about the 109s first and after that over the 190s)
109a b and c (all of them are mostly the same the c just has 2 more guns idk if they are bad or good cuz you mostly fight bad players)
109e1/e3/e4 (all of them are pretty op)
109f1/f2 (both are just downright mean)
109f4 (prob the most balanced 109 in the game together with the g6)
109f4/trop (pointless as it is a worse 109f4 at the same br)
109g2/trop (also just a worse 109f4 but this time its at 4.3)
109g6 (actually pretty nice for its br)
109g14 (a g6 at 5.3 which could also just be 5.7 cuz there are not that much 5.0 and 5.3 props)
109g10 (k4 but bad like rlly the k4 does everything better other than power above like 10km hight (30000 ft if im not wrong))
1090k4 (not bad but gets outperformed by some rlly op planes which are also at its br)
okay now lets get to the 190s
190a1 (actually the only good 190a)
190a4 (190a1 with a few extra guns and at 4.0)
190a5 (all of them)(i think they are just an 190a4)
190d9(it can work but its still not good)
190d12(more heavy 190d9)
190d13(should be pretty okay never played it)
ta152h(gets outperformed by everything it faces in climb and now with nearly every match having fighter airspawns you will start under people like all the time)
ta152c(it could be like 5.3 maybeeeee but not 6.3 (what i want to say with that is its bad))
im not sure if i missed something if i did pls tell me
I believe the source was Erich Hartmann’s autobiography. I recall a passage where he described how the Bf 109G would accelerate noticeably just by slightly lowering the nose. However in War Thunder the Gustav barely accelerates at all when you lower the nose slightly. It simply loses altitude as if small air brakes had been deployed. Meanwhile the Yak-1B and Yak-3 pick up speed quite nicely with the same input. It feels really unnatural.
the yaks are very aerodinamic so thats the reason they do this
idrk about the 109g
I’ve always heard that the Bf-109s, due to their shape, had enormous acceleration in the first moments of the dive, so they had a speed advantage shortly after lowering the nose, and only caught up with the others after maintaining the dive for a while
also just seen that
this is going to kill all the rush 190s now too
It’s because there are still people out there grinding with the 190 that nothing gets fixed. Unless we send Gaijin devs data proving that the Fw 190 has gone completely extinct, they probably won’t even bother doing test flights.
And where did they pull the documents for that?
oh wait, probably out of their assho-
The 190 A1 is completely at home, fun to fly and duel in 3.0 BR.
The 190 A-4 / A-5 family, should be spread around 3.3 - 3.7, not the current 4.0 - 4.3 we see today.
The A-8 should be 4.7, airspawn is the only upside of it.
F-8 is ok, it’s a rusher that can annoy people and it does it’s job well.
There’s a report on the cooling issue that pretty much has doomed the Fw190 A line that’s still ignored.
It would be a significant improvement to have this implemented.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/vQsIjwDfLITn
The 190 A5’s specifically were also cursed with the newest Fw190 A5/U14 flight model years ago, which made them much worse at turning n pulls less G’s than the A4, A8 and F8.
However that was a completely artificial fm update, so I don’t know how we could request an improvement based on that.
The rest of the A family are really suffering, especially A-8, and even the air spawn is like, you still get outran.
F-8 is great with the 103s, absolute beast in head ons.
If you look at this thread from a holistic perspective you might agree to the following:
So it boils down that you have to take a step back and ask yourself why you should invest time in trying to change gaijin’s position if they decided to ignore this topic entirely.
A topic which was not mentioned was an indirect support of 109s and 190s to put some pressure away from them.
If you fly frequently around BR 3.3 - 4.3 in Air RB you might have noticed that in these ranges (plus full up and downtiers so 2.3 - 5.3) the impact of 109s and 190s determines the outcome - whilst other nations benefit from additional relief from the impact of their twin engine night fighters (like Mosquito NF Mk II, J 30 or the. 2 P-61s) whilst the impact of your own night fighters (Bf 110 G-4, Ta 154, He 219) is (mostly) non existent.
Especially in these small 6-8 vs 6-8 matches following the still active axis vs allies MM enemy night fighter farm your bombers and “free” enemy single engine fighters from those targets and subsequently increase the pressure on 109s and 190s even more.
I noticed now for 6-8 months that this early game impact of UK/US night fighters (Mosquito NF Mk II & P-61s) has a significant impact on match results - observing this either whilst playing the 3.3 Me 410 A-1 or the Italian SM 92 - or from the enemy perspective flying the Hellcat, Firefly, MB 157.
The root cause is based on two factors:
I addressed this topic in 3 BR change topics (Bf 110 G-4, Ta 154, He 219) - so in case you are a hardcore 109 or 190 enthusiats you might consider to upvote my request for an alignment of spawn altitudes for these 3 aircraft:
Thx for reading and have a good one!
Further addition regarding relief for 109s or 190s:
Based on my requests for an increase of spawn altitudes for GER / IT night fighters in order to overcome their systemic disadvantage - i am not sure if you are aware of that the UK has as only nation in wt also 6 (!!!) twin engine day fighters with a 2 km air superiority fighter air spawn:
Whilst i fully support a special role for night fighters (due to increased drag and weight of radar equipment) there is zero necessity to grant a single nation (like in this case UK) a special nation bonus in Air RB.
The impact of these 6 twin engine day fighters is similar to UK night fighters - they farm early game bombers whilst the time to kill them increases significantly. In a classic axis vs allies setup GER/IT prop fighters struggle to kill them - whilst aircraft like the 2 Hornets can simply fly away from props if they stay at higher altitudes.
I have created for the first 5 aircraft a BR change request (keeping BR but give them an interceptor spawn instead of an air superiority fighter spawn):
Thx for reading and have a good one!
I completely agree, but I think the biggest problem is that Gaijin is currently neglecting all of WWII’s weaponry. Otherwise, they wouldn’t have set the Zero’s BR to 6.0… Well, maybe it’s still worth a try.
Imho you mix up a deliberate income nerf with neglection. I replied in an A6M thread:
BR changing of A6M52a/b to 6.0 is totally insane - #90 by Real_K_Soze
The core message:
If you look closely at the Air RB BR changes at ww2 BRs (up to ~6.3- 7.0) you see basically that all aircraft which are easy to play or produce way better results than gaijin wants them to have saw a BR increase.
BR increases are basically gaijin’s polite way to address an income nerf for all players - that’s the whole point of BR increases. The only noteworthy exception is that “allrounders” like USSR prop fighters are excluded from this process. That means either that Russian bias exists - or that their pilots perform so poorly that they don’t trigger a BR increase.
Have a good one!
