I fly with Simplified Flight Controls and disabled instructor - so Air RB without mouse aim - and tried several times to recover by switching to FR controls. You have no chance to recover, it looks like your flat spin is kind of “hard locked”.
And yes, you are right, i remember 2018/19 that i was able to recover in 190s by switching to FR controls.
I had one where it said the pilot was unconscious but he still managed to drop his bombs in GRB
While this is completely true, why don’t ground vehicles with one crew member left (particularly the gunner) not get the same liberty? Would be nice to get a final shot off before destruction.
What I could argue here is:
For aircraft, you play AS the pilot. Outside of attackers and bombers and weird twin-fuselage things like the Twin Mustang, you’re the only person operating the vehicle and you’re the only person required. Even with bombers, deaths of the pilots ends the flight even if there’s gunners and/or bombardiers left.
Contrast with tanks where instead you’re controlling a whole crew simultenously. You are not the tank commander as the tank commander dying does not inhibit your gameplay at all - they’re basically a back-up driver/gunner. However, even your driver/gunner dying does nothing - they get replaced and that’s that. Like, sure - you lose crew skills and all that but you retain full authority until your crew numbers go below critical. Key take away is that none of the crew dying instantly makes you lose, unlike with pilots.
Actually the Swedish cheese wedge can operate with a single crew member alive, as it can be operated by 1 crew IRL.
Same with planes, if you kill the pilot in say a TU-2 that has 1 pilot, the plane crashes, if you kill a pilot in a plane with 2 pilots, say the SAAB 105, the other pilot flies the plane.
AIRCRAFT DESTROYED…that’s why!
Aircraft is not destroyed.
Tail section is cut off.
Wings are notably not attached to the tail section.
Alternatively, the aircraft crash landed. If it did not disintegrate or kill the pilot (quite plausible with careful flying).
In both cases, the guns can freely continue operating.
Especially if it’s a bomber. Now, for bombers I’d argue spread for the gun should be seriously linked to G forces experienced because presently the mouse aim left click aiming retains accuracy too well while spinning (or alternatively spin the camera with the gunners in sim).
If the pilot dies, pilot-operated weapons stop working. If the pilot doesn’t die - they may recover and shoot you or not. Getting hit by a plane spraying randomly while in a spin is quite an interesting issue to have and quite improbable. I have never encountered that myself and I fly quite close to my targets before shooting.
Shoot the canopy for single-engine fighters and use slashing attacks for bombers to not get caught while they’re dying.
Such tragedy, the yer-2 whose pilot died can LARP as an SPAA!
Edit:
I just had a “Wing tip shot out, plane thrown into a violent spin and recover smoothly” thingy. Unfortunately, I wasnt recording so only got example from the replay:
Based on this, why should I lose the ability to fire my guns?
“I’m spinning”
“Throttle idle, let go of stick, stomp opposite rudder, push nose forward as things calm down and gently pull out while applying power.”
Works almost always.
I suppose you do though.
Aircraft have to RTB to repair. Tanks can do it anywhere, anytime and repair damage that would probably be a death sentence for most aircraft unless in the right place (like engine damage)
So when you take what should be a fatal hit in the tank, you can simply repair and keep fighting with penalties, maybe even limping to a cap point to physically replace 1 loss crewman, potentially removing 100% of that penalty.
Aircraft dont get that liberty, sure, you might be able to hobble all the way back to base and repair. Ive done it more than a few times, but just as often, that damage was a death sentence and when the pilot dies, even if you may have others onboard still alive, you instantly die.
TLDR: Air is an entirely different gamemode to ground or naval and so directly comparing them/expecting them to be held to the same standard is kinda wierd. Because it could work both ways (make tanks only be able to repair in the spawn point?)
They tested that. The last crew member could switch between the gunner seat and driver seat.
What happened was that players put the tank in a hull-down position, fired at an enemy, moved the crew to the driver seat, waited for the enemy to shoot at the empty turret, switch back, reload and repeat.
Many players complained, so the single-crew idea was dumped.
So your problem is with Gaijin’s choice of words.
I have no problems with the word ‘DESTROYED’, it is totally unambiguous. Tanks and ships can be repaired in the field unlike ‘FLYING’ aircraft (with very few exceptions). I’d like to see the pilot of a single seater repair a ‘shot off’ wing if he has the time while it’s rolling uncontrollably into the ground. Saying that, in this game the word REALISTIC means absolutely nothing because aircraft still fly WITH one wing!
So you know “realistic” doesn’t mean much and you don’t have a problem with Gaijin’s wording so what are you whining about then?
Does the word ‘DESTROYED’ have any other meaning then! That’s my last word on the matter.
Ok, thanks for whining.
You can recover a ripped off wing. Watch the two videos I’ve linked so far - one in a jet, one in the Mustang.
You recover and nurse her back to base while standing on the rudder pedal to try and keep her balanced.
You can do the same in Il2: great battles too.
Can be done in jets too. Did it with the Tornado about 2 weeks ago now. (even in RB controls)
That’s Russian! Haven’t you realised yet that anything Russian can do the IMPOSSIBLE! Investigate ANYTHING RUSSIAN!!!
The plane I’m flying in the linked video is the North American P-51 in Royal Air Force service. It recovered from the lost aileron and wingtip and kept on flying.
Whilst Soviet aircraft are wierdly tanky. It is entirely possible to recover and land most aircraft in game.
It is a video game tho. Is any pilot in real life gonna crash every time they make a bomb drop? No. But I still do.
