Kfir C7: 4x Python 3s. +++
Mirage 5 structural limitations. - - -
One base of bombs. +
Fastest base bomber at its BR. +++
Among the fastest jets at its BR. +++
Good flight performance. +++
FGR2/FG1: Most efficient engines and strongest of the Phantoms. +++
1a-: Best flight performance of all Phantoms by ~16% more, and among the best flight performance among 12.0 jets. +++
Skyflash radar missiles. ++
AIM-9G/H: =
1 base of bombs. +
The fastest Phantom for base bombing. ++
PDV radar. +
F-4J/S: Weak engines for the BR. =
1a: Among the worst flight performance for the BR.-
AIM-7Fs, among the best radar missiles at the BR: +++
AIM-9G/H: =
2 bases of bombs. ++
Faster than a Mirage F-1 to bases. -
PDV radar. +
Tornado F3: 4x 9Ls. ++
4x SuperTEMP, among the best radar missiles at the BR: +++
Average flight performance, in-between F-4S and FGR2. ++
Can’t bomb bases. -
Engines are fuel hungry. -
2nd best radar at 12.0. ++
F-104S ASA: Fastest jet at 12.0. +++
4x AIM-9Ls. ++
Radar missiles remove gun. - - -
Turns worse than a Phantom. - - -
Up to 3 bases of bombs. +++
2nd fastest bomber at 12.0. +++
Mig-23-like radar. - - -
Mirage F1C: Average speed. =
Okay flight performance. +
Magic 2s. +++
Horrific radar missiles. - - -
1 base of bombs. +
Mig-23-like radar. - - -
JA37D: Best radar at 12.0. +++
Skyflash radar missiles. ++
AIM-9L. ++
Sub-par flight performance. -
Fuel hungry engine. - - -
Fastest fighter at low altitudes. +++
F-4J UK: All the flaws of F-4S without the munitions.
@Stockholm_Blend There are still zero aircraft whose BRs changed from HMD.
Flight performance yes, even minor changes to flight performance have changed BRs. See Sabres.
the rest of it I can’t bother quoting and replying to so here is the tl:dr you are rating things based on your own personal view which is clearly clouded by some sort of goofy bias because some things just don’t align with reality
I mean, you give the foxhunter radar a “++” rating but give the F-4J’s PDV radar thats horrid in comparison a “++” rating as well.
Based on speed, acceleration, and STR [which is related to speed burn].
Max speed is a factor.
Time to speed is a factor.
And how much speed bleed, or how many degrees per second a jet can sustain before it starts bleeding speed, is a factor.
The worst the aircraft is at any or all of these, the worst it is overall.
F-1C is the worst flight performance at 12.0. It’s not fast, it doesn’t turn particularly well, and is the slowest accelerator.
Viggen has the highest top speed, but is average to accelerate, and has among the worst sustained turns.
F-104S is the fastest to accelerate, almost as fast as an F-16, has a high top speed as well, but is the worst sustained turners.
So on and so forth.
I’ve never once used my own personal views for rating jets and I never will.
I do find it funny you claim that my love for British aircraft is involved with this somehow.
If I used my own personal views, HMD would be listed, and AIM-7F would matter a whole lot more.
However, my personal views of AIM-7F being drastically superior does not align with the reality of how pilots operate these jets and the jets these jets face.
Even though Gaijin is foolish enough to make a strange decision about BR changes because of HMD.
(JUST LIKE BR CHANGE OF TONKA IDS ON ARB BY GUIDED MUNITION DOES)
It doesn’t change the truth that HMD gives an overall advantage over not having it.
(You might want to claim that HMD gives a disadvantage of creating a delay in changing the radar’s mode, but it is heavily biased with your personal view. AFAIK, the forum loves to have HMD.)
Also, about your rating of the plane part, @Normandy_Corsair literally told you everything I should, so I will clarify one thing.
If you are a human being who thinks. You can’t exclude your personal view when rating something.
It is a basic filter which every human has.
Even if you really want to exclude your personal view when rating, your subconscious will include it secretly.
So, the only way to exclude your personal view is ‘get lobotomize yourself and stop thinking’
It will stop including your personal view while rating, because you cannot have a personal view and can’t rate anything after that.
(Disclaimer: I am not using this term to attack you, but using it for a metaphor that you can’t exclude your pov)
I excluded my HMD and AIM-7F biases to make sure I don’t rate them as highly as I want to.
Because how player use both, and their limitations in War Thunder air RB, matters more than my biases and their strengths in… simulator where I would prefer to rate things.
The forum is not the average player. We are a tiny minority.
The F-18A is the most OP jet in the game right now… no HMD.
F-14A went from 12.3 to 12.7 without HMD.
Clearly despite both of us liking HMD, it does not change the facts.
I wish HMD gave the advantages you and I want it to give, but the reality is it doesn’t.
When I use HMD, I save my jet from dropping 0.02 mach… from 1.05. Wow, a massive bonus. It does not help that pylon drag is not modeled which would make HMDs stronger, especially on aircraft with many pylons [F-18, Su-30].
Where in my posts did I rate AIM-7F and HMD to Stockholm and I’s biases?
Stockholm literally posted my biases about AIM-7F and HMD, so where are my posts pushing my biases about them? Only Stockholm pushed my biases, because he shares those biases.
The playerbase isn’t me. Thanks for admitting I didn’t use my biases.
You know I tried proving that the FGR2 was worse than the F-4J and I only proved it was at least as effective. My hypothesis was proven wrong, and I ate that loss.
Because narrow search band + Skyflash is a meta setup at that BR, especially when you have flight performance to back it up.
who am i insulting? can you not slander me?
what i am saying is that the viggen has ok/average FM for the BR, and the tornado is a shitbrick that losed all speed in any meaningful turn
Wing sweep manually and you’ll burn less speed in turns.
I never have wing sweep set to auto unless I’m going for top speed, I usually have it set to 60 - 65 degrees, and I lower it if I intend to turn consistently.
I have my F-111’s wing sweep set to 0 the entire match unless I intend to run away. It has a max speed of 1.06 on wing sweep set to 0.
Wing sweep aircraft are more difficult to learn because of that factor.
