I mean at the same BR there’s the Tornado ADV with literally AIM-9L + SkyFlash SuperTEMP, a better radar, more flares
While this thing is attempting to live off of AIM-9G and Skyflash Dogfight.
Get uptiered and you’re fighting AIM-9M + Skyflash wielding JAS39A. ( You but 10x better )
Oh yeah in your own tech tree you have a better option too in the Tornado F3 that’s a whole rank higher than the FGR2 with a loadout that is a straight up upgrade but you’re playing at the same BR.
Nothing justifies this 12.0 BR on the FGR gaijin. Nothing.
So in my honest opinion if Gaijin wants to keep the FGR.2 up there they need to give it its final loadout of 4x Aim-9Ls and potentially look into giving it Skyflash SuperTEMPs, because it is SEVERELY lacking at BVR , those skyflash DFs are not BVR at all ,they might be pretend-BVR, but they cannot hit past 13km distance. They just don’t have enough energy and are slow even in jousts, they lose to regular AIM-7Es, at a BR where you meet with 7F this is extremely annoying to use
Historically the FGR.2 was refitted with 9L’s so its possible, but SuperTEMP was only made for the Tornado ADV (TEMP = Tornado Embodied Modification Package).
I honestly hope they make a Phantom FGR.2/L or FG.1/L with 9Ls and SuperTEMPs (even if the SuperTEMP was never fitted to the Phantoms for obvious reasons) because that would be cool
Ah yes. The Tornado ADV / F.3, which you yourself have only played for a handful of matches (And done very mediocre in), is undertiered and deserves to be at the same BR as the F-14, Mirage 2000, and F-4 EJ Kai. Notwithstanding that it carries a above average set of missiles at best with a below average radar, coupled with the fact that it has one of the worst flight models in the game, combining extremely poor manueverability with slow acceleration and high speed bleed. So not only will these 12.3 planes beat the Tornado F.3 in BVR combat, they will also absolutely rinse it in a dogfight.
“This dude did average in his stock Tornado F3.”
Yes, I did. Turns out playing stock is hard.
Mirage 2000 is under-BR’d.
F-14B is 12.7, not 12.3 as you falsely claim.
EJ Kai is a Phantom FGR2 with 9Ls.
“This dude did average in his stock Tornado F3.” If you do not know how a vehicle works spaded then who are you to judge it?
“F-14B is 12.7, not 12.3 as you falsely claim.” F-14A would like to talk to you.
“EJ Kai is a Phantom FGR2 with 9Ls.” If the FGR2 has Aim-7Fs and the F-16’s Radar yeah.
But no, let’s be reductive and conveniently gloss over certain aspects while cherrypicking others.
F-14A doesn’t have 9Ls or countermeasures.
It’s inferior in weapons to the Tornado F3.
Tornado F3 also goes faster than the F-14A. Time to climb is also a few seconds faster to mach 1.4.
“F-14A doesn’t have 9Ls or countermeasures.” First of all, yes the F-14A does have countermeasures. Secondly, what? The Tornado F.3 doesn’t have Phoenixes or Aim-7fs. Are you being intentially disingenous?
“Tornado F3 also goes faster than the F-14A. Time to climb is also a few seconds faster to mach 1.4.” The P-51D-20 is faster than the Yak-3U. I guess we should move it up to 5.7 now.
If you aren’t willing to have a genuine conversation regarding balance then why discuss on the forum?
I agree before the fgr at 11.3 was really bad and not really enjoyable now its unplayable i have to face gripens f15 mig29 its actually insane how the f4s is at the same br has hmd and 2x times better missiles.
Eithier they should insanley buff fgr2 or move it to 11.7 or even 11.3