I mentioned full fuel because it’s a standard.
I can’t pick and choose on aircraft for Statshark anymore, so… RIP.
That and testing for weapons added is what I’d prefer to do.
Either way, Kfir C7 and FGR2/FG1 are the best performers overall is my point.
Not having AIM-7F, which is only on an actual bus of an aircraft, is a worthy sacrifice for being the fastest and highest performing Phantom in the game.
Obviously decompress 13.0 and move F-18A and early Cs to 13.0, EJ Kai to 12.7, etc where they belong.
What does [using full fuel as standard] mean when nearly nobody fights in full fuel in ARB…?
I will save my word about this point as long as I have never flown with Kfir yet.
(Bought C.7 long ago, but stockgrind with 2x AIM-9D seems insane, so never tried.)
Naaahh… I, and other guys, don’t think it is a worthy sacrifice.
Partially true, but as long as Gaijin never does that or does it way too slowly,
Sadly, ‘this point’ feels null and void to me.
In this compressed BR situation, in the laziness of Gaijin, waiting till decompression, which F/A-18A to 13.0 will create nothing but starvation till death.
and
If we think about his testimony and your claims.
-being the fastest and highest performing Phantom
-f4k is more of a sidegrade rather than an upgrade over the f4s (Oh hey, my point.)
can’t stand together.
Everyone uses different fuel amounts depending on the plane. However, when discussing plane capabilities, that’s unscientific to do.
I usually do fuel time on full AB, but I can’t do that with Statshark at this time because they moved or removed the feature of setting fuel via specific plane, and I don’t have the time to manually test.
So the next best thing is % of internal fuel.
Everyone is going to run 9, 15, 20, 25, 30, etc minutes all the way to full.
I went on Statshark to use the preferred standard where I polled people, and they usually bring around 6 minutes on full AB. I can’t do that at this time, so yeah. XD I just set to 100 cause it was faster than thinking of something else to set it to without dropping some [Viggen and Tornado] fuel time down to 3 minutes internally.
The notably improved flight performance with Skyflash turns it into a sidegrade, which was my point this entire time.
That’s called consistency, not contradiction.
Oh, and here’s a tip for Kfir C7 grind if you care about doing it as fast as possible:
12.3 would be with 9Ls. SuperTEMP if plausible should be added regardless, something I’ve said previously.
EJ Kai obviously to 12.7 cause superior PD radar and AIM-7Fs. The fact it’s dodged the uptick is due to F-18s, and potentially others like Mirage 2000C5. But they can’t be moved up because of ~11 OP 13.0s.
First of all, I understand and I appreciate that you ‘tried’ to be objective.
But my points about ‘personal views’ (Nobody can escape from their biases) still stand.
And, your easiest way to being objective eventually led to ‘worthless data’ (Because not many peoples plays with full fuel.)
Sad point, I think.
You tried your best from your limited situation.
Just, your data failed to contain a ‘meaningful solution’
Well, Thanks to Inferior Skyflash, F-4K failed to be the ‘highest performing phantom’.
And, as I claimed earlier, we Brits don’t think that sacrificing AIM-7F was a worthy sacrifice.
We would’ve got either one of AIM-9L or SuperTEMP.
Oh my lord… I did not know how much slower F-4J was to FG1 until now.
Supersonic it makes sense both fall further behind than the F-4EJ cause of the gunpod, but even F-4J was behind on all counts due to the gunpod.
The point is EJ Kai is an AIM-9L + AIM-7F carrier with an F-16 radar.
It’s the F-4E bus of course, so it’s a deck rat, but before F-18A and arguably Mig-21Bison was added it was the best overall 12.3.
Clearly it’s 0.7 superior to F-4J and FG1 due to its radar and missile loadouts as well, but the aforementioned 12.0s are themselves 0.3 better than the Mig-23MLD with its standard radar and good missiles for its BR.
No, not at all. It’s 0.3br better under the current levels of compression. Maybe if we had 16.0+ you could justify 12.7. It’s a gen 3.5 platform with a dog flight model (doesnt even have the slats from the F-4E because it’s an EJ). 9L isn’t a large power spike and the 7F is featured on PDV phantoms at 12.0.
While you’re talking about an F-4 having an F-16 radar and 7Fs meaning it should be 12.7, the literal F-16AJ is 12.7 with F-16 radar and 7Fs.
Dude, 14.3 isn’t 0.3 away from 16.0.
Also not having slats is what makes the EJ Kai better in air RB due to the lower speed bleed.
PDV is vastly inferior to advanced PD radars.
The F-16AJ is 13.0 in decompression, not 12.7.
In sim sure, not in RB. Doesn’t make a larger than 0,3br difference to just swap the radar and missiles and even LOSE slats and HMD from the 12.0 phantom.
For the British Phantoms, it is very clear they are overtiered at 12.0br especially when you compare them to other phantoms at 12.0, which are the F4J and F4S. The only advantage the British Phantoms have over the US versions, except for the UK F4J, is the slightly better engine performance and acceleration. However the US phantoms have two major advantages, which are the HMD and the Aim 7F, while the F4S also gets leading edge slats, both of which allows the US phantoms to perform so much better in comparison to the UK phantoms.
For the UK phantoms there are a few solutions available. Specifically for the FGR.2 and FG.1 they can either:
Stay at 12.0br, but are given Aim 9Ls
or
Drop down to 11.7br
There is also the option of the Skyflash Supertemp, however I am not sure if that can even be fitted on the FGR.2 and/or the FG.1 due to this improved skyflash being specifically made for the Tornado.
For the UK F4J, basically has none of the advantages from the US version, while also not having the British advantage of the better engines. For the the two options available are:
The F-4J and F-4S have noticeably worse flight performance over F-4 FG1/FGR2. Like comparing F-5A/C vs F-5E/NF-5A.
You know what… let’s find other examples as well.
F-86A-5 is 0.3 lower than F-86F-25.
Here’s a missile BR example:
Su-25SM3 is 0.3 higher than Su-25T, purely because it dogfights better. 11.3 vs 11.7.
Mirage 2000D RMV is 0.3 higher because it doesn’t have the big gunpod anymore, thus improving its flight performance.
The only reason F-4J is the same BR as F-4FG1 is because it has AIM-7Fs.
F-4J UK should be 11.7 based on the above results. It’s the same exact weapons as F-4FG1 but notably worse in flight performance.
The only way F-4FG1/FGR2 are over-BR’d is if many if not most 12.0s are as well, all 11.7s are, all 11.3s are, etc.
But we know for a fact 9.3 is compressed, so it’s not that 12.0s are over-BR’d but that ~11 13.0s are under-BR’d which has a number of 12.3s and 12.7s being under-BR’d as well.
AIM-9Ls would make them 12.3 alongside Kurnass 2000, JH-7A, and probably F-20A is an okay example. Less missiles for a notably better airframe.
Also the only way F-4J UK goes to 11.3 is if Mig-23MLs go with it, and none of that should happen.
Of course SuperTEMP can come, and it might not change its BR.
