Open cockpit canopy exploit needs to be eliminated

What happens when you find yourself in a jet without a canopy?

You land…

The gear that protects you from harm also prevents you from hearing anything so I again state - you should hear nothing outside your own aircraft when flying an aircraft… same with tanks (unless you turn th tank off, which you can do, but in an airplane even if you turn it off you have wind noise and all that gear on which prevents you from hearing anything).

And if here’s a relevent bit of the above clip:

I read a fragment of a book by a MiG-29 test pilot. They did a test flights at supersonic speeds with the canopy removed on ground. He also described the warm air from friction that, with turbulence, entered the volume of the cockpit.

At first lets be honest. We - vr, track ir, sim fighter pilots have many disadvantages compare to bomber/tail shooter rb players which came to sim for grind. There are many non sim features that ruin emmersion. Before canopy issue we need force enable first person gunner view plus force disable 3rd person view for the bombers.
Also, untill visibility is not br changing feature we have not fair balance.

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I agree that gunners should be forced into first person, but how would that be added for multi turreted planes?

Oh man, it would and by a good margin.
Keeping your window open will noticrably oncrease fuel consumption when driving a car at 90km/h.
The drag would be a hige issue. Streamlined canopy was a thing for a damn good reason.

You don’t need to be too smooth when you are supa fast

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Lol. If one player can multi-brain + ai give me squad of fighters then. How? Easy! Only one character can be controllable. That will be fair.

Gaijin would need to increase AI gunners engagement distances if they were to do that. Currently the max firing range is 400m, which is way too little.

*in SB/RB. In AB they are about ~1km.

Some evidence you wanted, no plane that is supersonic can save the pilot without the cabine.


No cabine and the air goes in, she flew only at 150k/h and had head sticked to the seat. So anything above and you almost loose control.
Hope you leared something new.

It really depends on the specific aircraft for whether it can fly with an open cockpit or not.

Much faster open cockpit planes exist.

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Read first sentence of the repost.

You are right, but those have big windshiled that is enought to keep pilot save, the problem with opend cabine in warthunder is at cold war and toptier, where supersonic planes are flying, at speeds that would you suck into the seat and wouldent let you do anything about it.

Before throwing around pictures that have already been discussed many times, you’d better take the trouble to look at the plane itself.

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This is Extra-330 aerobatics aircraft without any front protection for better pilot view, in which the pilot sits high, and in that case even without a helmet or even glasses.

As mentioned earlier, much faster aircraft with an open cockpit existed and still exist.
There have also been numerous cases of canopy destruction in the air at supersonic speeds and successfull landing. Moreover, aircraft are even tested for such cases.

You actually started with that supersonic speed will tear off the pilot’s head.
Stop passing off your speculations as truth.

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MiG-31:

"April 11, 2008, a serious aviation incident: in the 21st minute of the flight, at an altitude of 16213 m and a true air speed of 2414 km/h (mach 2+), the folding canopy of the first cabin, in which Lieutenant Colonel K. N. Kozitsky was located, broke off, and both cabins of the aircraft were depressurized.
The crew took action to reduce speed and altitude in extremely low temperatures (below −55 degrees Celsius), and then made a safe landing at the airfield.

As the plane descended, there was a threat of reaching supersonic speed at altitudes below 11500 m. Vladimir Prikhodko took control and put the plane into a climb. At an altitude of 13237 m, the speed dropped, and the crew began to descend and brake to subsonic flight speed. At altitude 11880 m the crew began an emergency descent to an altitude below 4000 m.
At an altitude of 11000 m, the tension of the altitude-compensating suits was weakened, the noise decreased and the crew was able to begin to communicate with each other. At an altitude of 7500 m, Guard Lieutenant Colonel Konstantin Kozitsky was able to report that the canopy was broken, depressurized, and dropped to an altitude of 3500 m.

For their courage and high professionalism, the crew consisting of Lieutenant Colonels Vladimir Prikhodko and Konstantin Kozitsky was nominated for state awards."

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Newspaper article

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You can read it there thay redused speed. But why? By your logic thay just could continue flyght at hight speed, because it wount effect the pilot.
So answer me, why did thay reduced speed? For losing alt? For loosing alt you dont need to loose speed, only for leanding witch was pritty far away.
Those are incidents might have happend but again, thay had to lose speed and only than day could do anything.

Try this, put book big as your head infront of you i an distace of half a meter, behind book put fan and you’ll see that the air flow will go around the book and hit.your face.

If you thing the aerodinamics is that simple, I understand why you think the way you do.
Air flow never goes away from the plane, but around it as thight as it can, that means that if you lose cabine the air would like to go in so it balance the presure.

You telling me, a man can’t ride a 200+mph bike because of a “wind” hitting a face?

This bike has almost the same top speed as the Extra-330 from you last post with the girl-pilot.

No, it is you thinking it’s simple.

A pre-war speed record planes had open cockpits. And they reached higher than 700 km/h speeds.

Modern jets had been tested for flying without canopy at supersonic speeds.

Because this situation may occur inflight. And this happens all the time. I provided you several cases already. Here and in PM.

Because it’s a standart procedure! It’s wasn’t battle in air or else. Every malfunction leads to cancel mission and return to base.
They will also return to base if they had jammed gear or malfunction in radio or else.

BUT! We are playing game here! We don’t return to base immediately with “yellow” part of aircraft or lost gear when you forgot to retract it. WE CONTINUE TO FLY AND FIGHT!

You also don’t drive your car when it’s suddenly broken. You go home slowly or tow it to shop.
But in “battle” situation cars can be driven like this:

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Because these were unbearable conditions for the pilots.

That’s what we want from devs to implement ingame for cabriolet-enjoyers.

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I admit that some planes have worked out this problem, some have been disanged for it, but it doesnt mean for all of them. Its just a work for the gaidin to make every plane spcial and more detaild as thay were. You have convenced me.