Yes, agree… The thing is. They just don’t understand it. They try to defend the Bug abusing.
Look at this… It’s an airliner. It was able to fly at about, 7000m. So yes. It´s possible to fly like that. Would it make any sense to let all airliners fly like that? No…
Change in pressure is there even for WW2 planes though.
The F4U didn’t have a pressurized cockpit, neither did 109s and neither killed pilots from flying too high.
Now, the F4U manual does state for oxygen mask usage:
Notice the minimum.
It’s possible to turn off oxygen and be OK in short term, but you need to use it periodically.
It does however state that night flights must use oxygen more, which is presumably due to higher attention/focus being required for instrument-only flight (due to bad visibility) over visual or combined flight.
Says who?
These guys are not on a carrier.
Bonus Corsair.
I know it’s not on a carrier because the Skyraider sits at an angle on the ground.
Many reasons. Pilot comfort, drag, and operating in cold climates (though soviet pilots did it anyway) are the main factors. At high altitude, things start to get weird with lower atmospheric pressure so you’d proabbly want to keep it closed anyway.
This wasn’t anywhere as common to do in the European theaters because it’s much colder there and there was a greater emphasis on speed. But altitude allowing, pilots opened their canopies all the time.
Even better then, they’re showing off it can fly perfectly fine with the canopy open.
Also happened to find a pretty cool article talking about what flying open cockpit is like and why so many did it.
Quoting some good entries:
“If you have to be trussed up in a flying suit, Irvin jacket, scarf, helmet and goggles you might very reasonably wonder why pilots talk about the freedom of open cockpits.
Persevere, though, and you quickly tune out the distractions. Then you will discover what generations of pilots have known – that nothing beats open cockpit flying, especially for short flights in clement weather.”
“Despite the fatigue of extended open cockpit flying, one of its advantages is better control of the aircraft. You feel side winds when the slip ball goes off centre, and turbulence when the aircraft is about to stall.”
“There is little doubt that a closed cockpit is more comfortable in winter. Having said that, many pilots will remember the discomfort of queuing on the taxiway to depart from busy summer fly-ins when the air vents are hopelessly inadequate and the doors or canopy could not be opened. A few cockpits in convertible aircraft like early Pitts Specials and the JodelD9 are actually noisier closed than open, because of engine noise reverberating around a closed box.”
And about drag with cockpit open:
“Careful design of open cockpits can stream the airflow so effectively that they create negligible drag; these cockpits will also be less noisy and draughty and the pilot may not need a helmet or goggles. It is, though, difficult to design a low-drag open cockpit without giving the pilot a small aperture, with the attendant complications of doors to allow entry and exit.”
So it’s never cut and dry. The reality is that if conditions and aircraft design allow, pilots will fly with them open if they want.
I assume this is for the Corsair?
Yep, F4U-1
Some additional bits:
The fact that SOP says to close your cabin before diving should imply something, should it not?
@_Reyman I am citing literal historical pilot operating handbook that says you’re OK to fly with open cockpit up to 300 knots or 555 km/h.
There are some others found in game, such as the wyvern having the limit at 206 KT (381kmh), and the F-104s having it at 50 KT (92kmh).
The F-104’s canopy hinges upward, doesn’t slide backward. And that’s exactly the kinda plane that shouldn’t be able to fly at high speeds with it open regardless.
Makes me think the reason the P51D (bubble) mustangs had a similarly low restriction was due to how the canopy is attached.
Compare:
One of them is much more firmly attached AND notably…
The F4U’s canopy has a “gap” between the fuselage and itself whereas the mustang’s canopy is fully enclosed.
P-51’s canopy is a huge air pocket. Unlike the Corsair, Hellcat, and most japanese aircraft…
Yes, I agree. They cruise in a non combat situation with their cabin wide open.
But in every single Sim match, you are not in a chilled situation like that. You are in a combat situation. And I´m sure, in a fight, you dive, at least sometimes… so if you’re fighting with open canopy, it’s still not allowed.
Or do you close it while diving? Both hand off the stick and the throttle to pull and push at your canopy to close it and lose control of the aircraft? Hmm… think about it. They closed the canopy as soon as they expected enemy contacts are possible.
And that’s right at the moment you take off from your airfield in a Sim match. There is almost always an enemy aircraft inside your airspace… And with that, we have a combat situation and not a sunday morning cruise…
So yeah, WT needs to go back to the state before the Update and after the “Esports” Event where it was not possible to open the canopy.
Simple, right?
Do you admit and concede that it is possible for a human being to survive just fine up until at least 300 knots, the opposite of your previous claims?
Do you admit, you can’t do that in a combat situation ,the opposite of your previous claims?
Why couldn’t you?
The limit is at 555 km/h.
Best turning speed tends to be between 300 to 400.
Read the manual…
“In the open position, speeds up to 300 knots indicated are allowable.”
No mentions of being in combat or not.
I did.
It tells you to make sure canopy is closed because it is not rated for flight above 300 knots before initiating a dive.
It says nothing of pilot injury.
It only says this because of the canopy construction potentially being damaged.
If you can find me any reports of I-16 pilots getting hurt from dogfighting without a canopy, I’ll eat a hat.
Ok… so WT makes your aircraft explode because u exceeded 300 knots…
I don’t think it’s possible to implement that in the game. And I don’t think it’s possible to make exceptions for different planes. There are planes, you literarily can’t fly with the canopy open… Just by its design. Maybe it was possible in the F4U. But like the text shows… not in a dive. How can you be sure, it´s closed? Right. Autoclose at take off like we have it in the game right now.
Or do you want Gaijin to waste resources figuring out which aircraft can fly with an open cockpit under exactly which specific conditions and when not???
I think there are much more important issues in the game that need to be addressed first.
And since the cockpit was closed under normal combat conditions, it’s perfectly legitimate to implement it that way in the game.
But since extreme exceptional situations are presented here as completely normal, I don’t think one can appeal to common sense here.
See J35, F104, T2, every Mig imaginable… You can see them all with open cockpits… At Mach 1.5… Yup… Esports ready :D
By the way, the BR rating is based on a fighter’s combat capability…
This also includes the view from the cockpit, as it directly influences your chances of survival in a fight.
Improving this view by abusing the game mechanics is not allowed.
If you are not satisfied with the view from the cockpit, fly a different aircraft.
I don’t fly jets and I don’t care about jets other than funny carrier landings.
Props we have literal handbooks and manuals and real life examples (I-16) saying it’s OK.
I don’t want stupid jets to interfere with props.
More likely what happens: The locking mechanism breaks or gets worn out and the groundcrew curses your name for giving them extra work. Maybe the emergency release mechanism gets damaged so that when you do close the canopy, you cannot break it open as reliably.
I don’t need to open the canopy to do this.
Look at anyone flying with VR and they do this all the time, too. Especially in hellcats and early F4Us.
Without VR, it’s a bit trickier to pull off but the right combo of head raise/lower, lean left/right, forward/backward lean and X/Y rotation and boom, you can phase through the canopy.
This WAS normal.
