If you want to make changes to supersonic aircraft, then suggest changes that would affect supersonic aircraft only, instead of fictional and delusional ideas that both go against reality, AND for which you haven’t posted A SINGLE SOURCE in favor.
Many pilots and aircraft have been posted going far faster than 240kph. Like the Ki-43 in a dogfight I posted above. Or the He 112 A. Or the Rolls Royce test pilot in the 109 E. Or any I-16 after they ditched the useless canopy.
The message history is open for anyone to see that in fact it’s “yes”.
The Ki 43 has a canopy and it was used during fight and also was used in cruse…
The He 112 A was fighting Biplanes… So it’s fights were at low speed…
Oh, yes, the 109 E pilot… So why not all 109´s? And 190´s and Spitfires, and so on? Why did they add the extra weight of the canopy?? . Even the Germans kept adding them… Even as they ran out of recourses. And if it gives you an advantage, why adding such a stupid thing? Maybe the style factor?
Why does the F 16 have a canopy? I´m not an expert, but I think they need it. Maybe to protect something inside the cockpit? From the cold? From the wind??
Yes, the 112 could climb to high altitude… but it´s very cold up there -20 to -30°C at 5000 m (5 km)
They had to climb fast, shoot a bomber, and dive back down to not get injured by the cold air.
Oxygen is not the issue. More modern planes had oxygen tanks with them…
The He 112’s top speed, in level flight, was a touch under 500kph. Dive speed was higher. All with an open canopy.
For the same reasons the He 112 B added an enclosed canopy, despite not being much faster and using the same engine.
We’re not here to debate how often they did it.
And I assume you have a source for this? Besides, the hot engine at the front provided plenty of heat on its own. AFAIK the 109s had plugs for heated flight suits; the P-38 was notable for having a very poor heater early on and was known for being a cold plane to be in; those without heaters just dealt with it by wearing thick, warm clothing.
Oh yes. The high-flying Bomber gunners used it. And yes, like you said, the cockpit of the early planes were not sealed. So they needed this type of gear to not die in the cold…
And now try to imagine what type of gear they need to fly in winter with the canopy opened…
I like how you take photoes and suggest that those were taken at the planes maximum speed, thay could be jus crusein, and if thay were, cruseing speed of ww2 airplanes is about 200km/h.
I use km/h. because most of the carryer based aircrafts that are often showed with opend cockpits has cruseing speed about 200km/h to 350km/h for example heldivers cruseing speed is only 250km/h.
It was part of a film reel. You can estimate speed roughly by how both planes are maneuvering. 240kph is very slow, he was doing at least 300kph.
Cruise speed for the Ki-43-I was 320kph, which is what the two planes in formation were likely doing. The later variants cruise at 350-400kph and yet you can still find testimonies and photos of pilots doing it.
I never claimed this.
One would think you and Reyman would have learned to not make unsourced claims at this point.
The definicion of cruseing speed is: the maximum speed at which a vehicle is able to travel continuously and comfortably, without using a large amount of fuel or effort.
So if we are showed a picture where I see an opend cockpit its most likely at this speed. Because I dont beleve someone would be takeing pictures mid fight or while diveing.
(b) The full open setting of cowl flaps is provided primarily for ground cooling. If this setting is used
in flight, buffeting of the tail surfaces will result. Open
about 2/3 for take-off and climb, and close (or open
slightly, if required) for high speed and cruising level
flight. Cylinder head temperatures can be reduced by:
Enriching mixture.
Opening cowl flaps.
Reducing power.
Increasing air speed.
(c) Climbing at speed slightly greater than best
climbing speed will have very little effect on the rate of
climb. Better all around cooling will result.
Best range for Corsair is at 280 km/h, not 200 km/h.
While climbing, it’s advised to go faster than best climb speed for sake of cooling:
It advises best IAS for climb at 250 km/h, indicating that at 250 km/h you will suffer heating issues with the engine and thus it’s better to go for a worse rate climb at higher speeds to preserve engine life.
Handbook says you should do final approach at ~180 km/h, but permits opening landing gear and cabin under 200 knots (375 km/h).
If I ever saw picture like this, I would asume its from some air show where airplane fly slow to show off itself.
Carryer it self moves at 50km/h while airplanes takeing off, that is enought to make your scarf wave, and also if skyriders cruseing speed is about 300km/h, his scarf would have been blowed off. So yea its logic that its from a carryer.
Let me ask you one thing, why would those airplanes have cosing cockpits if not becouse of the tempriture, not becouse of presure in different hights and not becouse of the force of the wind going agains the pilot?
The difference between razorback mustangs and bubble mustangs shows how important it is to have a smooth transition and no sudden interruptions, protrusions and the like.
Pilots preferred the second one as it was faster and more stable.
Oh, and stability also comes to mind as such.
If bubble vs razorback/malcolm/greenhouse had such a significant effect on performance at high enough speeds (keeping in mind that drag issues become more excarbarated at longer ranges and higher speeds), imagine the impact having a divot after the windshield has. That has to produce some vortices that induce drag, doesn’t it?
So one thing that can be added in warthunder will be growing drag with speed while flying with opend cockpit?
I agree on this.
In my talk about this I show this effect.
Il2:GB does that from what I experienced (when I had my cockpit blown off, I noticed my plane shook more than without in the 109. Unfortunately I didnt record that flight but might try to reproduce it somehow), including yawing moment in the Bf109 when you open the canopy (which almost rolled me into the ground when landing with my windshield covered in oil forcing me to open it and lean out, as demonstrated in linked video).
I´m sure the plane with the canopy opened in your first picture isn’t flying that fast. It’s very close to the ground. So yeah. Looks like at a slow speed like that, you can have your canopy opened.
Stop about the pictures, I want to know what can we agree on. There is bigger drag while flying with opend cockpit, also the change of the presure in fast climb can kill the pilot so this is something abviouse.
Than there is the force of the wind, I belelve that the wind in higher speeds does some disconfort to the pilot, and even can interact with pilots control over the plane.
