cant say much since i dont play usa tree
I have no clue why it’s 14.3 when it isn’t meaningfully better than the F-15E.
What we really need is decompression (see my proposal) because the F-15Es and Cs clown on 13.0 planes, but they are abysmal when facing the Rafale.
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Captor Ms current state is straightup unforgivable for a 14.3 plane, its refresh rate feels 13.ish BR. Good thing the EFT has at least some good stuff like the FM, T2WR and CMs to compensate.
I’d also advocate for further decompression, wether Gaijin manages to apply either that or to tone down the GE’s br first.
Seriously shoudlve just given the f15e its proper AN/APG-82(V)1
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I support correct vehicles.
I support my precious American vehicles.
With that said, I’m applying some rationale posted in this topic to the Su-30SM to see if people still support the same arguments. I personally think Su-30SM is strong.
"Su-30SM is obviously DOA. Its flight performance is garbage, the R-77-1 is worse than the AIM-120C-5, missile count has no real value in air modes especially if pylon drag ever gets modeled. Sure it can do the funny maneuver, but the speed and energy retention is only better than the Su-34’s. When up against F-15Cs with their conformals attached, there’s no competition.
The difference in capability between the Su-27SM and Su-30SM aren’t that big, similar to the two Finnish Hornets.
We should’ve gotten Su-35 instead of this garbage.
Su-30SM is a 14.0 plane at best, but in reality it’s a sidegrade of Su-27SM."
- Not my argument/take, but an argument made from rationales present in this topic.
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delulu take.
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Exactly. You get it.
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Eh idk if your comparison example really hits here. The R77-1 was an insane upgrade, the SU30SM got 12 of them Radar is good.
I think this time the US players actually have a point, the Golden eagle feels much more like a sidegrade to the 14.0 F15E not an upgrade.
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no, im saying you are delusional if thats what you think the core of peoples arguments are.
Exactly.
The F-15E is probably under-BR’d as well.
I likely even made that statement prior. It receiving AIM-120C-5s probably justified it being 14.3 with the rest. Cause I was arguing 14.0 when it had AIM-120A/Bs, and it improved further since.
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Compared to the planes at 14.0 and under yes, compared to the planes at 14.3 hell no.
That would require C5s to be an actual upgrade and not a sidegrade
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It can not go to 14.3 unless further decompression is done.
C-5s aren’t good enough to justify a BR increase unless they get a better seeker and more accurate manoeuvrability.
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F-15E is obviously notably superior to Su-30SM.
And F-15E easily handles high altitudes better than Rafale and Typhoon.
What F-15E does worse in is sub-sonic fights within visual range, which is obvious…
So I see F-15E as a sidegrade: Better supersonic performance, worse subsonic performance. Same amount of missiles as Rafale.
F-15C even has on-par supersonic performance with Rafale:
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Can’t US players just accept that everyone now has better or equal-level planes? The US has been dominant since the F-14 until the arrival of European fighters, and then with the Su-30SM for Russia. Things will only improve for you if the gaijin brings in the F-15EX at the end of the year, and even then everyone will have planes on par with the F-15EX.
What???
AIM-120C-5 are currently worse in WT than the AIM-120B. The only thing C-5 do better is 30km + shots, otherwise they’re worse at everything else that matters. And you have to be a literal blind bot to not see the RWR warning screaming at you all the way and get hit at this distance by a C-5.
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Make no mistake, they received cool toys that were ahead of all nations.
The problem is that gaijin had the ability to make a competitive 14.3 for America in the form of the F-15GE without the need for the EX for a bit longer, but chose to add a half baked addition (as expected from them for any nation at this point…) And just because one nation had it good for too long doesn’t mean they should be shafted. (Which tbf most nations have been shafted recently thanks to the eurofighter and rafale.)
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That’s not the experience I’ve had with AIM-120C-5s on my F-18C.
For me, they’ve been a clear upgrade increasing hit chances at the ranges I want to use them.
I have a feeling information is being spread without hard data to back it up.
I’ve been hearing this exact argument about R-77-1 for much longer.
I see why I am comfortable with the AIM-120C-5: I’ve used the Super-530D prior, which has similar acceleration and worse agility.
F-14, everyone struggled against it; F-16A is better than Mig29when come to the game and still best, because of the complaints, it came without the R73 and has one of the worst FM in this game; F-15A and Su-27 were evenly matched, with the Su-27 being better because of the R27ER; and then the USA returned to the top with the F-15C MSIP, the era we all know as Spamram, fly high with your F-15, drop AIM-120s and nobody can touch you up there; Su-27SM at that time didn’t even have the improved engines of the Su-27SM-3, and no other nation had BVR equivalents; then came the F-15E, fly side-by-side with the ISS, drop AIM-120s on the other side of the galaxy and remain untouchable at Mach 2; then came the European fighters and spoiled the USA’s playground.
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