The Rafale should have been so much, no idea why Gaijin decided to put the pretty much best possible Rafale into the game
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Well looking back in hindsight, what we as a community should have lobbied Gaijin for is early variants of the Eurocanards, we got an early gripen, so why not an early Rafale or EFT, both of which would have been more on par with competition, leading us to now, when the Eurocanards we know in game should’ve been added in this december patch
even then, there were 5 different US fighter AESA programs being done at the time, with many billions being put into it, and 3 of those were Raytheon alone (APG-63v3 manufacturer)
Now look at the French, the RBE2-AA is actually developed during 2000’s as Frances very first AESA, and afaik it was the only French fighter AESA so the French had no experience with AESA beforehand.
so i dont think its unreasonable to think APG-63v3 is equal to or more modern than the RBE2-AA when they were both developed during the same time
They could’ve just gave the F-15E its AN/APG-82(V)1 together with BOL and increase it to 14.3. Boom, no need for another 430k rp, but you know gaijin
cant say much since i dont play usa tree
I have no clue why it’s 14.3 when it isn’t meaningfully better than the F-15E.
What we really need is decompression (see my proposal) because the F-15Es and Cs clown on 13.0 planes, but they are abysmal when facing the Rafale.
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Captor Ms current state is straightup unforgivable for a 14.3 plane, its refresh rate feels 13.ish BR. Good thing the EFT has at least some good stuff like the FM, T2WR and CMs to compensate.
I’d also advocate for further decompression, wether Gaijin manages to apply either that or to tone down the GE’s br first.
Seriously shoudlve just given the f15e its proper AN/APG-82(V)1
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I support correct vehicles.
I support my precious American vehicles.
With that said, I’m applying some rationale posted in this topic to the Su-30SM to see if people still support the same arguments.
"Su-30SM is obviously DOA. Its flight performance is garbage, the R-77-1 is worse than the AIM-120C-5, missile count has no real value in air modes especially if pylon drag ever gets modeled. Sure it can do the funny maneuver, but the speed and energy retention is only better than the Su-34’s. When up against F-15Cs with their conformals attached, there’s no competition.
The difference in capability between the Su-27SM and Su-30SM aren’t that big, similar to the two Finnish Hornets.
We should’ve gotten Su-35 instead of this garbage.
Su-30SM is a 14.0 plane at best, but in reality it’s a sidegrade of Su-27SM."
- Not my argument/take, but an argument made from rationales present in this topic.
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delulu take.
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Exactly. You get it.
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Eh idk if your comparison example really hits here. The R77-1 was an insane upgrade, the SU30SM got 12 of them Radar is good.
I think this time the US players actually have a point, the Golden eagle feels much more like a sidegrade to the 14.0 F15E not an upgrade.
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no, im saying you are delusional if thats what you think the core of peoples arguments are.
Exactly.
The F-15E is probably under-BR’d as well.
I likely even made that statement prior. It receiving AIM-120C-5s probably justified it being 14.3 with the rest. Cause I was arguing 14.0 when it had AIM-120A/Bs, and it improved further since.
Compared to the planes at 14.0 and under yes, compared to the planes at 14.3 hell no.
That would require C5s to be an actual upgrade and not a sidegrade
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It can not go to 14.3 unless further decompression is done.
C-5s aren’t good enough to justify a BR increase unless they get a better seeker and more accurate manoeuvrability.
F-15E is obviously notably superior to Su-30SM.
And F-15E easily handles high altitudes better than Rafale and Typhoon.
What F-15E does worse in is sub-sonic fights within visual range, which is obvious…
So I see F-15E as a sidegrade: Better supersonic performance, worse subsonic performance. Same amount of missiles as Rafale.
F-15C even has on-par supersonic performance with Rafale:
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Can’t US players just accept that everyone now has better or equal-level planes? The US has been dominant since the F-14 until the arrival of European fighters, and then with the Su-30SM for Russia. Things will only improve for you if the gaijin brings in the F-15EX at the end of the year, and even then everyone will have planes on par with the F-15EX.
What???
AIM-120C-5 are currently worse in WT than the AIM-120B. The only thing C-5 do better is 30km + shots, otherwise they’re worse at everything else that matters. And you have to be a literal blind bot to not see the RWR warning screaming at you all the way and get hit at this distance by a C-5.
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