F15 is the only jet i flew a few times and never touched again. Dont blame you for not wasting your time.
After playing the EF the F15 just feels like a bus.
And now a 14.3 version… why? Its dead AF
you’re smoking something good I’ll take some, j11b is utterly superior with better speed and maneuverability, do you SERIOUSLY think hitting a target at 20 miles like 2 seconds earlier is more important than +15 more g of overload? the pl12 is superior to the aim120 rn. I’ll just assume you’re not talking about the su30sm because that’s mute.
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I’m not sure what you expect, Typhoon is closer to an F-22 than it is an F-15.
Yes currently the F-15GE is suffering, I do not see a world where if Gaijin does not add the F-15EX they give the GE the 12 120 loadout
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don’t tell them f15 first flew 20 years before the ef and the f22 only flew 2 years after lol.
14 3 jets are the most OP. If a new jet doesnt fit the bill then it shouldnt be 14.3. Simple logic that the snail doesnt seem to use.
I use lower BR jets all.the time and face 14.3, still fun. But putting myself at 14.3 in a bus… il pass
one thing tho
idk how does gaijin calculate channel loss
modern jet fighter
since most modern design(4th gen and above) are design to minimized channel loss as much as possible
for the figure of F-15E
23214 from the ~29000 lbs of thrust is a whole ~20% loss of thrust, which is very large for such
the more logical figure would be 5-10% loss of thrust
not a whopping ~20%
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I’m an above average player and I’ll be honest the GE should be 14.0 it’s utterly outclassed by the other fighters, the aesa also feels weird, like it’s worse than the others I’ve used (c.10, 30sm)
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I really don’t get how me agreeing with everyone about the F-15C GE caused nonsense.
The exclusive thing I disagreed on, the only one, the sole thing: It’s not DOA.
That type of negativity is not helpful when it’s a solid flight model, a solid radar, and the average amount of missiles.
I get thinking it’s weaker than others, I just want people to admit that it’s also stronger than others.
It’s average, and I have no opinion on if it should be average or it should be different.
TL;DR: Rafale’s best.
F-15C GE is easily better than most of the 14.0s.
I have no real objections to changing it, but I love its cockpit with that massive screen.
@PyroAddict
No one made claims about things being better or worse off feelings.
If you disagree with my take that Rafale’s better, just say so.
nobody ever said the fa18s should be 14.0, that being said the mirage 2000 and f15e are better (only other 14.0s) so not really a good argument. it’s literally just an f15c with a better radar at the end of the day.
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At 14.0 i .still wouldnt entertain
The f18 is best example of the snails logic.
We have f18 with gimped engine
F18 no hmd
F18 no bol
Yet all 14.0. They are all put here for one reason- premium f18s.
F15 added with better radar. Taking into account f18s witb no HMD which is a much bigger factor than radar = 14.3. Make it make sense
The J-11B is slower than the F-15C, I know this because I always have them outrun me when climbing and accelerating. It isn’t a massive difference, but it’s still faster.
I won’t disagree that the 120 is worse than the PL-12 overall, but it is better at BVR.
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The Mirage 2000 is very much not better, it has a worse radar, worse speeds [acceleration and top]. The thing that carries Mirage 2000 is the MICA EM.
With missiles equipped but no drag on equal fuel: The F-15C is clearly a better suited aircraft at the speed range air RB operates. It just won’t win a duel.
The standard F-15C shouldn’t be the same BR as Gripens, F-16s, and potentially Su-34 let alone this improved aircraft.
it’s not slower than the f15c the f15e yes. I know this because I actually have both jets and play the j11b.
I feel like everyone has their own description for DOA this is the primary problem.
For me its and aircraft that is heavily overshadowed by a contemporary, or similar variant of a vehicle or is missing key features making it similar to the aircraft already in game leading to it not being played a lot.
The three first criteria were met, rafale and Eurofighter are the same BR, it has a better alternative for the current forced meta of the f15’s .3 below it. and is missing features that honestly would have actually made the aircraft worth it over the contemporary, literally just EPAWSS. however it can be seen from the matchmaker ques that a lot of people are grinding for it so it obviously isn’t dead on arrival in the popularity sense.
I personally grinded it out and have been stock grinding it, as well as playing it a ton on the DEV and I think its actually quite a nice vehicle the problem is really it’s missing features that wouldn’t alter it’s BR, and the desperate need for an actually thought out BR decompression, it and the f15E should be the same BR realistically but neither can really switch to the others so we really need BR15.0-15.3ish, (RAFALE should not be the same BR as any other vehicle currently it’s almost an f4 variant as currently implemented, and should not be at the same BR as the su30SM and Eurofighter early variants.)
Also unrelated, you said further down the f15 shouldn’t be the same BR as the Gripen and I actually kinda agree I think those heavier airframes BR should almost always be .3 above their similar lighter equivalents. the only problem i see is with early non fox 3 4th gens the 15A despite being extremely good at 13.0 and being playable up to 13.7 again suffers from its not a Gripen airframe and it also doesn’t get anything better than sparrows so it isn’t like a r27er where its actually still very lethal.
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For me, I worked with electronics for half a decade. So DOA means broken to a point that doesn’t even power on.
In the context of War Thunder a DOA vehicle would be something that has physically broken things, and/or cannot perform to an average level using any tactic.
That’s the way I see it.
You make great points, and I appreciate your perspective.
It would also help if the devs gave it Better scanned angles on its radar instead of making it a exact copy of the previous radar but AESA. meanwhile the rafale is out here with a full 140-16 degrees.
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it got better scan angles no?
not in game at least, prob tomorrow
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that makes sense, i dont have it so i couldnt check