Not only Alvis is repeteadly wrong on several topics and dedicates to gaslight on threads, he also brings manipulated screenshots and calculations to discussions.
@Sophiе wasn’t wrong on calling him out for what he really is or what he believes.
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And so was I, and I bet most of people here who’s good and eventually their stats became better. Is that an actual excuse?
The problem comes when such people discredits your opinion while not even having a mediocre, but an objectively bad performance, and claiming X or Y thing is better or worse than you believe based on their gut feeling. That is not a fair ground for debate, even if it falls under the courtain of being an argument from authority, but it’s the only way to recognize if you’re talking to someone who actually knows what he’s talking about in the context of War Thunder.
But we’re digressing too much from the main topic: the F-15C GE is mid and a sidegrade of the F-15E at best. And there’s already CCs like Gamerino and MatAWG straightup downplaying the fact. Both of them being words away from calling it meta.
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nobody who is taken seriously is claiming this aircraft is anything but doa
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It is not. It might be the worst 14.3, but it would be by far the best 14.0 which means unfortunately, that’s where it belongs in Gaijin’s eyes. Also, it’s a toptier aircraft, it’s only going to see downtiers. I know it’s not ideal, but I think it’ll perform fine.
this is a sad joke, it’d be barely noticeably different to the 13.7 MSIP II
the radar is slightly better at tracking TWS targets and you get some more worse CMs, not that you were ever running low on CMs with the F-15 in the first place, big whoop
Gamerino may be clearly wrong about the Golden Eagle, but his judgement is quite reliable most of the time.
Its just the anti-bias related to america speaking for him.
The F-15E still exists and its a practical sidegrade, trading SA and countermeasures for raw thrust performance and BVR potential.
The F/A-18C Late still exists and trades thrust for more missiles and AOA potential.
That is a hugely optimistic take. Once you get digital RWRs, it progressively becomes a matter of experience to overcome the jankiness of mechanical radars.
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It’s not like the 15C was a bad jet though… It’s a very solid all rounder. The main thing the 15C lacked was pure speed, situational awareness, and better armament. It got 2/3 of those in the best way they could’ve gotten it without adding the EX. I don’t agree with the decision to put it at 14.3 without the AMRAAM fixes, to be clear.
The F-15E lacks situational awareness and maneuverability even in simple stuff like turning. It’s on par speed with the Eurocanards is heavily squashed by it’s speedbleed and lack of turn capability.
The Hornet is a Hornet. Getting anywhere close to the payloads of the F-15C/E make the drag abhornet and the speed even worse. Sure it can turn, but the speedbleed is even worse than the SU-30. Again, it’s one strength is dwarfed by another one of it’s strengths, making it not great to play in various situations.
I’m being optimistic because really nobody else is. It’s still going to be playable.
It’s a solid all rounder at 13.7…
the armament is also not better, C-5s are junk, it’s just a slightly better radar and some worse CMs tacked on
It has been recently buffed, prior to the update it got a turning buff. And it’s not like the F-15C turns substantially better either, and while it has a subtle turning advantage, The current F-15Cs FM makes it bleed energy like if it was a delta plane.
That is a weak argument.
And so is the Horten 229, does it make it a good plane?
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It still doesn’t turn good and bleeds like 2x more speed, which is why I said what I said.
It wasn’t an argument.
You know what I mean. It’s a toptier plane. It has toptier missiles.
That probably because it’s pulling to much above dogfight speeds, as per the bug report on the flightmodel. Once that’s fixed, sure, it’ll pull less, but it will hold that speed like it should. It’ll also be better for notching as the plane’s AoA won’t be so high and delay the plane getting into the notch.
And has a 25% more thrust than the F-15C to compensate the imposed drag.
Another compromise to make it useful, not a buff.
And would still be a sidegrade, not an upgrade.
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Oh I know, He’s a stat padder with limited skill in ARB at any BR above 10-11.0. I am told 23 and me is supposed to be about learning your genetic history but I would bet for him its mostly counting his chromosomes.
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The F-15C outpaces the J-11B (and any other flanker) in BVR. It climbs better, accelerates better, and it has a loadout more suited for BVR.
However you are correct that it will lose to the flankers in a duel.
Channel loss
F15 is the only jet i flew a few times and never touched again. Dont blame you for not wasting your time.
After playing the EF the F15 just feels like a bus.
And now a 14.3 version… why? Its dead AF
you’re smoking something good I’ll take some, j11b is utterly superior with better speed and maneuverability, do you SERIOUSLY think hitting a target at 20 miles like 2 seconds earlier is more important than +15 more g of overload? the pl12 is superior to the aim120 rn. I’ll just assume you’re not talking about the su30sm because that’s mute.
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I’m not sure what you expect, Typhoon is closer to an F-22 than it is an F-15.
Yes currently the F-15GE is suffering, I do not see a world where if Gaijin does not add the F-15EX they give the GE the 12 120 loadout
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don’t tell them f15 first flew 20 years before the ef and the f22 only flew 2 years after lol.
14 3 jets are the most OP. If a new jet doesnt fit the bill then it shouldnt be 14.3. Simple logic that the snail doesnt seem to use.
I use lower BR jets all.the time and face 14.3, still fun. But putting myself at 14.3 in a bus… il pass
one thing tho
idk how does gaijin calculate channel loss
modern jet fighter
since most modern design(4th gen and above) are design to minimized channel loss as much as possible
for the figure of F-15E
23214 from the ~29000 lbs of thrust is a whole ~20% loss of thrust, which is very large for such
the more logical figure would be 5-10% loss of thrust
not a whopping ~20%
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