the thing is the f15 intakes should not produce anywhere near as much channel loss as they do in game
they are large enough to provide airflow at lower speeds and have a huge range of actuation to reduce airflow to what is necessary for the engines to minimize drag at higher speed
and dont eft and rafale have s duct intakes (that are known to increase channel losses)
They aren’t nerfed.
They could be incorrect, but they haven’t been nerfed.
@Alpharius11348 @ileaveuptiers
F-15E’s engines haven’t changed, otherwise the spreadsheet would’ve changed in the last recording.
EJ200’s thrust is static thrust.
M88-2’s thrust is static thrust.
Pratt & Whitney is known to cite at-speed thrust of their engines.
At speed thrust:
Sitting at 33,000lbf of reheat thrust.
So prove that those thrust amounts aren’t at-speed and installed.
The implications of this claim is that the drag of F-15A/C/E is too low and needs to be increased alongside thrust.
Rafale has S duct intakes, Eurofighter doesn’t. Also, going head first into explaining why channel losses aren’t through the roof would take way too long and you honestly seem ready to die on this hill so I cba
Typhoon also has intake ramps to control air flow.
Rafale does not
yes, but iirc we dont know how far it can actuate
while we can easily see that on the f15, and it is a big difference
Pretty sure it was a patch to adjust the zero lift drag coefficient in November 2024. Thrust remained the same-ish since then
Again, this was needed because F-15E/I’s were doing Mach 2.2, pulling 9Gs and not losing speed… at all
Thrust remained the same since this years’ dev servers.
It was just the drag nerf that changed it from fastest jet in the game to 2nd top speed.
Though there was a nerf on the introduction dev server:
This is not true and I remember having this exact discussion with you back then. Thrust was nerfed massively at high altitude shortly after release, thousands of kgf of thrust lost at 9000m as you can see. Blue was new(and probably still current), orange was release thrust:
I’m not saying release thrust was accurate, it wasn’t. But saying its thrust wasn’t nerfed by Gaijin isn’t correct either.
@Code_649 Alvis is wrong pretty much.
The ravioli ain’t surviving this one
its very interesting because after burning thrust typicaly increases at speed, and there isnt too much of a reason for a decrease especialy with variable intake ramps
and in game both eft and rafale show similar behavior of thrust continuing to increase (possibly starting to approach an asymptote but there is not really a reason for it to start decreasing)
edit:
for context f4e (with slats)(loading 1 = clean) flight envelope from the same document, dashed line is without slats
Glad you and I agree.
My post has been amended to clarify things.
Morning was busy and I forgot to type this year in the original posting.
@PyroAddict
Sorry, but Cyrus and I are not fishy.
*says something that is wrong in every way and gets corrected bc once again Alvis doesnt knows what he is talking about.
“Glad you and I agree.”
Nah, i aint playing that gaslight card of yours
they would. the gripen E is leaps and bounds ahead of the F18 in dogfighting and Air superiority roles no?
thats a non issue, the f15 airframe is far from weak, if the amraam buff comes with f15 fm fix it wil lbe more than enough. wont be an eurofighter but nothing is an eurofighter and nothing will ever be an eurofighter.
maybe the f15a but the f15c airframe loses a duel to the flankers as it is rn, and doesnt have anywhere near the acceleration and speed to be usable in BVR
As much as I also find a large amount of AlvisWisla, takes to be either out of touch or just overly passive aggressive.
Lets one, not shame with Stat Shark, it suffers the same problem of all overall stat checks that being it doesn’t take into account bad matches when stock grinding, trying different fighters that play different, as well as just user coming back to the game, I personally was really shit in the past, and its almost permanently hurt my player stats on Stat Shark to be fair I could just suck at using Stat Shark, so I wont say it isn’t possible to achieve finding accurate statistics.
Plus its just better to not be this hostile, even if the opinions their pushing don’t agree with our ,whether or not the player is good, it really should come down to the actual topic discussion not just you are worse so your opinions are invalid.
The really only questionable part, is that most of his actual Top tier fox 3 carrying planes like the f15E, F16c, EF2000, F15J(M) other than mica carriers are pretty average or even below that, again that should not really take away his right to make opinions.
to be fair you could always switch to all time stats and check using those, or stats for a specific vehicle which is nice. thats why I think statshark is a good way to check if someone is decent at the game, if they have at least 50 percent then they’re an above average player and their opinions is probably somewhat valid/justifiable
Its because hes a real stats oriented person. His stats are seal clubber stats, just ignore him. He lives on the forums as he has nothing else going on.
