I updated the earlier reply.
Rafale? probably. Eurofighter? Fighting for its life every other update.
Based on…? What, the Rafale/Eurofighter’s low channel losses in comparison to F-15E’s? You’re trying to make an equivalence of airframes/intake design where there isn’t one
Interview with F-22 guy who did a tour on Typhoon.
Geee I don’t know maybe since the channel loss for the Eurofighter is 12.2% LESS than the F-15e in game?
You tell me. 22.5% seems to be a magical number Gaijin pulled out for balancing reasons. Basically everyone cried on the dev server that the F-15e was performing too well so they nerfed the performance.
And you say that based on?
Scroll up, I cba to type the same thing over and over.
the thing is the f15 intakes should not produce anywhere near as much channel loss as they do in game
they are large enough to provide airflow at lower speeds and have a huge range of actuation to reduce airflow to what is necessary for the engines to minimize drag at higher speed
and dont eft and rafale have s duct intakes (that are known to increase channel losses)
They aren’t nerfed.
They could be incorrect, but they haven’t been nerfed.
@Alpharius11348 @ileaveuptiers
F-15E’s engines haven’t changed, otherwise the spreadsheet would’ve changed in the last recording.
EJ200’s thrust is static thrust.
M88-2’s thrust is static thrust.
Pratt & Whitney is known to cite at-speed thrust of their engines.
At speed thrust:
Sitting at 33,000lbf of reheat thrust.
So prove that those thrust amounts aren’t at-speed and installed.
The implications of this claim is that the drag of F-15A/C/E is too low and needs to be increased alongside thrust.
Rafale has S duct intakes, Eurofighter doesn’t. Also, going head first into explaining why channel losses aren’t through the roof would take way too long and you honestly seem ready to die on this hill so I cba
Typhoon also has intake ramps to control air flow.
Rafale does not
yes, but iirc we dont know how far it can actuate
while we can easily see that on the f15, and it is a big difference
Pretty sure it was a patch to adjust the zero lift drag coefficient in November 2024. Thrust remained the same-ish since then
Again, this was needed because F-15E/I’s were doing Mach 2.2, pulling 9Gs and not losing speed… at all
Thrust remained the same since this years’ dev servers.
It was just the drag nerf that changed it from fastest jet in the game to 2nd top speed.
Though there was a nerf on the introduction dev server:
This is not true and I remember having this exact discussion with you back then. Thrust was nerfed massively at high altitude shortly after release, thousands of kgf of thrust lost at 9000m as you can see. Blue was new(and probably still current), orange was release thrust:
I’m not saying release thrust was accurate, it wasn’t. But saying its thrust wasn’t nerfed by Gaijin isn’t correct either.
@Code_649 Alvis is wrong pretty much.
The ravioli ain’t surviving this one
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its very interesting because after burning thrust typicaly increases at speed, and there isnt too much of a reason for a decrease especialy with variable intake ramps
and in game both eft and rafale show similar behavior of thrust continuing to increase (possibly starting to approach an asymptote but there is not really a reason for it to start decreasing)
edit:
for context f4e (with slats)(loading 1 = clean) flight envelope from the same document, dashed line is without slats
Glad you and I agree.
My post has been amended to clarify things.
Morning was busy and I forgot to type this year in the original posting.
@PyroAddict
Sorry, but Cyrus and I are not fishy.
*says something that is wrong in every way and gets corrected bc once again Alvis doesnt knows what he is talking about.
“Glad you and I agree.”
Nah, i aint playing that gaslight card of yours
