The Mirage 2000 is very much not better, it has a worse radar, worse speeds [acceleration and top]. The thing that carries Mirage 2000 is the MICA EM.
With missiles equipped but no drag on equal fuel: The F-15C is clearly a better suited aircraft at the speed range air RB operates. It just won’t win a duel.
The standard F-15C shouldn’t be the same BR as Gripens, F-16s, and potentially Su-34 let alone this improved aircraft.
it’s not slower than the f15c the f15e yes. I know this because I actually have both jets and play the j11b.
I feel like everyone has their own description for DOA this is the primary problem.
For me its and aircraft that is heavily overshadowed by a contemporary, or similar variant of a vehicle or is missing key features making it similar to the aircraft already in game leading to it not being played a lot.
The three first criteria were met, rafale and Eurofighter are the same BR, it has a better alternative for the current forced meta of the f15’s .3 below it. and is missing features that honestly would have actually made the aircraft worth it over the contemporary, literally just EPAWSS. however it can be seen from the matchmaker ques that a lot of people are grinding for it so it obviously isn’t dead on arrival in the popularity sense.
I personally grinded it out and have been stock grinding it, as well as playing it a ton on the DEV and I think its actually quite a nice vehicle the problem is really it’s missing features that wouldn’t alter it’s BR, and the desperate need for an actually thought out BR decompression, it and the f15E should be the same BR realistically but neither can really switch to the others so we really need BR15.0-15.3ish, (RAFALE should not be the same BR as any other vehicle currently it’s almost an f4 variant as currently implemented, and should not be at the same BR as the su30SM and Eurofighter early variants.)
Also unrelated, you said further down the f15 shouldn’t be the same BR as the Gripen and I actually kinda agree I think those heavier airframes BR should almost always be .3 above their similar lighter equivalents. the only problem i see is with early non fox 3 4th gens the 15A despite being extremely good at 13.0 and being playable up to 13.7 again suffers from its not a Gripen airframe and it also doesn’t get anything better than sparrows so it isn’t like a r27er where its actually still very lethal.
For me, I worked with electronics for half a decade. So DOA means broken to a point that doesn’t even power on.
In the context of War Thunder a DOA vehicle would be something that has physically broken things, and/or cannot perform to an average level using any tactic.
That’s the way I see it.
You make great points, and I appreciate your perspective.
It would also help if the devs gave it Better scanned angles on its radar instead of making it a exact copy of the previous radar but AESA. meanwhile the rafale is out here with a full 140-16 degrees.
it got better scan angles no?
not in game at least, prob tomorrow
that makes sense, i dont have it so i couldnt check
tho i wish they just gave all AESA radars the full 140 like the rafale theres no reason not to
it got narrower search but wider TWS
much taller for both though
That was honestly my biggest annoyance when I used the radar.
I’m use to the average flight performance and the average missile count.
I however need vertical rows to go with my moderate width.
if it had quicker scan and better modes it would be amazing.
EPAWSS would be wonderful as well
After 100% of YouTube bloggers called this plane terrible, I hope Gaijin will listen and do something about this plane?
But channel loss. Yeah right… Just something you guys are repeating without knowing anything about. The most unrestricted out of the 3 mentioned is the F-15. And the F-15 has a better variable intake than the Eurofighter. The Rafale doesn’t even have a variable intake
Rafale
Eurofighter
F-15
Variable intake on display
You don’t know the channel losses in-game, on top of that variable intakes harm low-speed thrust more than intakes that aren’t variable, on top of the intakes being designed for higher top speeds.
It’s more laminar drag.
One simple google would have told him that c hannel loss in the F-15’s supersonic inlet can negatively affect flight characteristics by decreasing engine thrust and potentially causing aerodynamic instability.
Still it is not repaired xD guys they do not even read this thread stop wasting our time
That’s a good question since the F-18 currently has channel thrust gain right now
channel loss are account by the intake if i remember
f-15s has almost 1:1 if not 1:1 intake but still result in a ~20% thrust lost across the board
I just don’t understand the engine nerfs across different aircraft. The Rafale only has about a 9% reduction from its real life stats, yet the F15C’s engine performance is around 20% lower than its real life counterpart. I get that adjusting engine performance can affect the F15C at 13.7, and maybe that would justify raising it to 14.0, I don’t know. I’m not even asking for the full 20% buff; just give it around 11% more thrust so the F15C has the same 9% debuff the Rafale has.
I’m also not in favour of trying to make the F15 the new top dog. People asking for a 14 to 16 missile loadout are going too far, and I wonder how much flight performance you would lose anyway. You can make the aircraft work, I can do well in the F15C, but individual performance doesn’t mean much when the broader statistics tell a different story.
Right now, US top tier win rates sit at roughly 46.6%, while most other nations are around 50 to 55%. That alone shows there is a performance disparity, and saying it is a skill issue from the player base is not convincing. France, for example, is on a completely different level with a 64.6% win rate.
When the Su30 arrived, it was already good, and it still received buffs to make it more competitive, and that was the right decision. It is better when the playing field is more fair. But with the US having the lowest win rate of all nations at top tier, being given an F15C with a new radar and placed at 14.3 just feels disappointing.
Imagine being a new player or someone planning to buy a premium to grind the US tree. The US tech tree is one of the biggest with many premiums. How many players will scroll to the bottom, look at what is waiting for them, and see that the F15C is basically the worst 14.3 of all the 14.3 aircraft with nothing unique, no thrust vectoring, no standout flight performance. Why would they invest time or money into that.
It is a shame because the US tree is awesome, but players will always focus on what is new and shiny, and since the new aircraft here does not feel new nor shiny, many will move on or wait for the F22. Most F15s in the game are good where they are (even tho the win rate sucks), but this F15C GE variant feels dull, gajin didn’t even give this thing a dev blog post because they know its bad.
The pylon situation also confuses me. Other aircraft have received weapons with little to no evidence, yet there are images of the F15C with pylons and documents suggesting that the F15C GE was wired for them (if I recall correctly, i saw it on a bug report
