Ninth Wave: Why are Russian "Brochure Specs" treated as facts while IRIS-T and Tan-SAM Kai are nerfed by "Realism"?

Hi everyone,

I am writing this to discuss the current state of top-tier Surface-to-Air Missiles (SAMs) following the Ninth Wave update. I play Russia, Germany, and Japan at Top Tier, so I am looking at this from a multi-nation perspective. I have used an AI to help structure my thoughts and ensure this post is clear and easy to read, as English is not my first language.

And first of all i play all of these Nations:

  1. The Brochure Hypocrisy and Export Weapons

There is a noticeable inconsistency in how technical data is applied. The new Pantsir SM-SV and the Kh-38MT have been implemented with their absolute peak advertised performance. It is important to note that the Kh-38MT is largely an export-oriented (and Su-57 Hangar Queen) variant only seen in promotional material and weapon expos. Why is this weapon allowed to perform at its maximum theoretical potential while Western and Japanese systems are held back?

  • IRIS-T SLM: Despite documented 40 km range capabilities, the in-game version loses almost all kinetic energy after 20 km. If the Kh-38MT gets its full export-spec performance, the IRIS-T should as well.

  • The Interception Issue: Even with its advanced laser proximity fuse, the IRIS-T often ghosts through high-speed munitions like the Kh-38MT.

  1. Japan’s Air Defense Crisis

The situation for Japan has become particularly frustrating in this update.

  • Tan-SAM Kai (Type 81C): The loss of the Bulldog mode (fire-on-visual/Mad-dog) has severely crippled its tactical flexibility. It was the only way to react to sudden threats.

  • Type 03 (Chū-SAM): While it was a highly anticipated addition, its current implementation feels clunky and unnecessary given its poor performance against the current Kh-38MT meta. It lacks the reliability seen in the Pantsir’s tracking logic.

  1. Data Consistency

If the Ninth Wave update allows the Pantsir and Kh-38MT to operate at their maximum theoretical export/brochure specs, the same courtesy should be extended to:

  • IRIS-T SLM: Restore its 40 km kinetic range and fix the laser fuse logic.

    • IRIS-T SLM and others IIR SAM´s: Add missing LDIRCCM counters.
  • Tan-SAM Kai: Restore the Bulldog mode capability.

I am not asking to nerf Russia. I enjoy playing this nation, but as I play, I notice how strong it is. This is not healthy for the game. Instead, I am looking for a standardization of data quality across all top-tier nations.

Some sources:

Do you think SAM performance should be based on manufacturer specs for ALL nations equally?
  • Yes, if the Pantsir gets its 40km range, the IRIS-T should too.

  • No, I prefer the current “balancing” even if it’s unrealistic.

  • I don’t play Top Tier / See Results.

0 voters
How should Gaijin fix the Japanese SAM gap?
  • Bring back the Tan-SAM Kai “Mad-Dog mode” and fix the Type 81C.

  • Add the Type 11 (Tan-SAM Kai II) with its real specs.

  • Buff the Type 03’s interception logic and mobility. (Semirealistic)

0 voters
How do you feel about the current Top Tier SAM balance after the Ninth Wave update?
  • It is balanced, every nation has its strengths.

  • It is slightly skewed towards Russia, but manageable.

  • It is heavily biased, Western/Japanese SAMs need urgent buffs.

  • I stopped playing SAMs because of the Kh-38MT meta.

0 voters

If there are any incorrect facts in this post, please tell me. This is just based on what I have read in bug reports and Forum Posts.

DISCLAIMER

I have deliberately not mentioned the Mi-28NM in this post, as its current state and its interaction with LDIRCM and LMUR missiles represent an even larger and more severe problem for the game’s balance that deserves its own dedicated discussion.

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Sky Sabre is a total mess too

Sky Sabre/Land Ceptor - Technical data and discussion (Bug reports listed on the original post)

Doesnt even have DL currently

CAS and SAM meta seem to come and go, however, when IRIS-T was added it broke the balance, it was only so for a brief moment before it was nerfed hastily by Gaijin. Did an equal measure of nerfs happen to the Pantsir S1 when it crushed Bluefor competition? No…

Did the Kh38MT get a nerf when it outperformed everything? No… (at least to my knowledge, but its still the best AGM hands down). Was the Kh38MT added at its broshoure specs while the brimstones released same update got stuck with SAL only due to “balance reasons”? yes of course it was. (No i don’t beleive LOAL should’ve been added but it’s pathetic how the disparity shows in that update alone)

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Not only was the Maddog removed on the Tan SAM Kai, its still missing a lot of features that should allow it to compete more effectively. Right now we are playing the supper nerfed/bugged SAM.

  • Missile auto reload when swapping IR to ARH or vice versa.
    (Should be able to carry both as well at the same time)

  • Radar only has 1 search mode
    (Omni-directional Search: The antenna rotates mechanically to provide full-circle target detection.) Which is what it’s currently using in game.

  • 2 Missing Radar Modes
    ( * Sector Search / Course Tracking: The radar focuses on a specific 110 degree Arc to track up to six targets with greater frequency.)
    (Fine Tracking : The antenna is fixed in a specific direction (azimuth and elevation) to provide high-precision tracking for target interception.)

  • Type 81 C is missing IOG+DL for the IIR missile. This will allow us to down helis when lock is aquired and Photocontrast/IIR lock can take over when close enough after the radar lock did its Job guiding it to that heli.

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Comrade, I see what you write and I see very interesting and possibly even factual choices.

But you are asking too much bro, remember Russia still has many bug reports that need to be fixed. NATO always gets their reports done first, and we get nothing. I talked to BVVD personally through my local FSB agent and he said that we will soon get Su-75 as compensation for how much we have suffered.

Please also stop spreading this blasphemy, you could cause serious issues bro

This post is a hidden gem
But Im afraid devs are too selfish and biased to fix curent meta