It is just people without the IS-7 thinking they know the IS-7. I don’t have the IS-7, so I’m not going to claim to be some expert on it, but when I have faced it, it has never seemed more powerful than something like an IS7. It seemed like more of a glorified IS4 or T-10M with a wonky MG on top. To be honest, this is also the problem with the 279 - people are trying to call for what BR it should go to by never using it themselves. There is only so much you can know by facing a vehicle. You need to use it to know.
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You live in a fantasy world if you believe the T72 should not move up as well.
Bro learn to read.
No reason why T-72A should be higher in BR than tanks like L/44 or XM-1. All of those tanks have very obvious tradeoffs and are perfectly matched to face each other.
Yea. All of them shoudl go up XD
As I said. Move all vehicles starting at 7.0 up.
The T72 is exchangeable with every other same BR tank. It is an exampel. Is that to mucb to uderstand
I cannot comprehend this intense hatred someone has for the Type 89, they have completely gutted the vehicle where it’s not even a shadow of it’s former self, but lets uptier it, RCV has always been a joke.
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Really ? HEATFS is one of the most useless shells in the game imo. Seriously, when playing the 90mm gun my shell often does nothing when firing at russian heavies or even T-54s.
Low caliber chemical rounds are a total watse of time and require even more aiming than regular rounds if you want to do any useful damage, which is quite the opposite of why they were invented in the first place…
To be fair this is just a return to pre 2016 golden days that so many speak of. Before germany dominated 5.7 with great guns, and more great guns, and great armor.
The tiger e was 6.0 back in the day, the tiger 2 p was 6.7, the tiger 2 105 was 7.0, the panthers were all 6.0.
As per usual - Gaijin opt for the ‘let’s decompress BRs’. How? By compressing BRs somewhere else.
I do wonder to what degree these decisions are made by actual people and how much is just spaffed out by some algorithm in a spreadsheet.
Actually I don’t want to know, either answer is depressing.
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Tiger E is being moved to 6.0
Quite a few Soviet vehicles moved
I’m sad Skink is moving up to 5.3, I just don’t get why. The vehicle itself might be a bit better but the guns not so much, the HE velocity is 70m/s lower and has dramatically less HE filler 5 or 6g TNTe rather than 10.2 on Wirbelwind. With this in mind Skink isn’t really better than Wirbelwind, certainly not 1.7 BR higher good. It should be something like 4.0 or at the highest 4.7.
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I even doubt that they play those tanks … maybe they sit together and grab some dices …
Theses changes are absolutely hysterical, they make no sense whatsoever.
Why decompress BRs just to compress them again? We’re back to the same situation where WW2 faces post war tanks negating any armor! Specially Germany, Tiger 1 at 5.7 and E at 6.0 going against 6.7 and 7.0 tanks. Are they out of their mind?
People should stop whining about Germany being overpowering and learn shot placement.
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Then say that and end your opinion with that as well, no need to emphasize a couple of vehicles when all you want is total decompression.
As I said, had no issues using 76mm HEATFS on my T92. It surely is quite worse than APHE, but it’s more than workable in my opinion.
Learn where their gunner and/or commander is and you shouldn’t have problems dealing with enemies that way.
Not quite sure what the main point being discussed is…
The BR updates are explained somewhere as being the consequence of game results…vehicles with above average results climb in BR…and the reverse also happens.
Funny thing…some vehicles, like Tiger…sometimes drop in BR, start getting too good results…and then go back up…where results are worse.
Not perfect system…but pretty simple to understand…of course players can affect the system…using the Tiger example, players that play the Tiger wrong due to misconception of its usage or game performance will make its results worse on average than vehicles where no such “skewing” exists…
Tiger was perceived as having a TOO LOW BR due to players that used it as the invulnerable machine you see in movies, which would make its average effectiveness lower…BUT making it too effective in the hands of a good player…
The consequences of game results is what makes this game stupid,…
They’re not taking ODL issue in account,…
They’re not taking many other issues in gameplay,…
I want to point out that I’m not against the changes. They only bring other problems and it seems that there are tanks that got problems with their BR staying untouched. It feels like it is some random kind of decision.
Complete lineups getting ripped apart and I can’t figure out why.
And I think we can not deny that there are some BR issues that aren’t solved.
I recall an answer by a dev on the old forum that it was no longer “feasible” to take all issues into account using a “manual” method, and that also it caused a subjectivity problem.
So i guess they have some tool that takes vehicles results and suggests BR changes…or so i believe. Then they run those by forums…and make some adjustments based on feedback…sometimes.
The number of vehicles, the many issues and iterations and the subjectivity seem to indicate that a “cold blooded” algorithm is a better solution…
There are several vehicles that i see players complain that they are too high BR and too low BR at the same time…so no way to please all. More frequent…vehicles that are too strong at one BR and too weak at the BR immediately above.
Personally…the BR change in Tiger i can understand…but not so much the M18 climbing two ratings in Arcade out of the blue…i guess something changed in ammo effectiveness or more probably the reduced effect of aircraft…suddenly making M18s much more survivable (and deadly) perhaps…
EDIT:
I also get my lineups ruined by BR changes…sometimes i choose the crews carefully so i have a very stable lineup…and have it ruined on next update :) BUT in general the BR updates make sense ON AVERAGE.
There are always GOOD PLAYERS that can take advantage of some vehicle feature…or players that will play so badly that will make some vehicle appear worse than it is…
Meanwhile the most broken 5.7 vehicle gets to stay at its BR. KV-220 i am looking at you.
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I understand the mechanism but, apart from what you said with stats being unreliable because of player skill, isn’t there someone applying some sort of common sense after those changes are imagined ?
Tiger vs IS-3 is something that will happen very often now and it is incredibly weird that someone with a minimum of common sense thought that this could be a good idea …
Some tanks like the KV 220 aren’t being touched while being obviously too strong for the ennemy they’re facing and I don’t believe that i’m being subjective here.
Also what’s the point of putting obvioulsy worse vehicles at the same BR ? Tiger II P and H or the Pershing and the Super Pershing ? (This one’s relatively obvious).
Once again I understand that stats affect the BR, but common sense should also be applied. Because right now, these changes seem more like a buff to soviet cold war heavies than a stat related change.
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