So, when is the 11.0 top bracket BR?
It’s not anymore, it will likely be so again whenever 13.0-13.3 arrives (soon hopefully with fox 3 next update). Just how 11.7 never had a downtier last update, 11.0 isn’t now. Guessing Gaijin doesn’t want to fit 2 brackets between 11.3 and 12.7
I honestly don’t think it’s that big of a deal… And 11.0 is my favourite BR to play at in sim. I’m happy we have the rotation in the first place, imagine having to leave it up to a matchmaker where it’s completely randomised what BR you go up against like in Realistic Battles… I’m happy to sacrifice 11.0 full downtier for a few updates to have that.
The only way Gaijin could’ve gone about having the 11.0 downtier with current 12.7 vehicles would be to either have 11.3-12.7 matchmaker, which screws over 11.3 vehicles, or to squeeze in 2 brackets between 11.3-12.7 (something like 11.3-12.0, 12.3-12.7), which is a pretty small range for either bracket where the player count is already low.
I believe when we get 13.0 or 13.3 (hopefully now in a few weeks with Fox 3’s), we’ll have the 11.0 downtier again and then maybe 11.3 won’t see a downtier for a while. But even then a 0.3 up tier isn’t the end of the world.
Why?
There’s R8, roughly, 11.7-12.7. Enough planes there…make them fight.
Anyway, what does it have to do with making a 10.0-11.0 rotation?
What do you mean? We can’t leave out 11.3 altogether?
But why would we?
11.3 goes with 12.3.
11.3 rotation is ok, at least in my experience, also for the 11.0’s I fly (mainly Mirage F1, but also Tornado IDS MFG).
It’s actually more challenging to fly the 11.3 squadron F-5E, due to that aircraft’s poor radar - but at the same time also a lot of fun.
Regular F-5E’s at 11.0 however probably are really in a bad spot…
Yesterday rotation (10.7-11.7) was dead.
2-3 games in prime time and for a reason.
GJ should really get a hint, already.
the snail is not working on the mode. the missions are stagnating. nothing is made better or more beautiful to arouse the interest of the players. logically, the motivation of the players decreases. …and the number of players is decreasing.
for example, an immediate change from spawn costs to repair costs would arouse the interest of the players and increase the number of players.
or other surprises. revised improved mission objectives, better nation lineups. there are many possibilities. … but the developers don’t think it’s necessary
Then who would 12.7 fight? Only other 12.7’s? and then 11.3-12.3? What are you suggesting here? Stop being so vague.
You’re calling the BR rotation a “shit matchmaker” because a single battle rating you enjoy currently isn’t getting a full downtier…
I can PROMISE you that you wouldn’t like the RB matchmaker as an alternative… Straight up RNG on whether or not you’re pitted against 1.0 BR higher or not. Which 11.0 frequently does in RB.
Sure there might be a decent solution that would allow for an 11.0 downtier currently but you haven’t proposed anything and I can see Gaijin’s reasoning behind it at least until we get 13.0.
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No, where did you get that idea? Like other ECs, 11.7 - 12.7.
Where’s the problem?
Okay. 11.7 - 12.7. And your favourite matchmaker 10.0-11.0.
now
Who does 11.3 fight?
(In case you’re confused)
Well no, that’s the BR that never gets being top tier, unlike others.
I’m just currently playing it and I’m noticing shit game design.
Not hard to understand.
10.3 and 12.3…which part is unclear?
So 10.3-11.3 for one rotation, and 11.3-12.3 for the other rotation? If you want the 11.3-12.3 rotation, that leaves 12.7 to only fight other 12.7 for that rotation? These 2 rotations also never gives 11.7 or 10.7 a downtier. Do you not see why we can’t have a 12.3 downtier currently?
The unclear part is where you suggest the 10.0-11.0 downtier fits into this… When 10.0-11.0 is the current rotation, where does that leave 11.3-12.7? Will it be one big rotation of 11.3-12.7, screwing over 11.3, or will you try to squeeze in 2 small rotations like 11.3-12.0 and 12.3-12.7?
So what? If there’s no small fish to feed, WT “aces” can’t play, or what?
Besides, GJ can make overlapping rotations.
You can play either 11.7-12.7, or 11.3-12.3 paralely, which is way better than leaving one BR never being top BR.
Give ppl better rewards for higher BR bracket and ppl will play.
Almost every other solution is better than what we have now.
There will always be “small fish”. In ANY rotation.
LMAO. Ah yes, eliminate up tiers altogether… Why haven’t Gaijin thought of that before?
I can’t take you seriously
one solution would be a rotation with fair vehicle lists for the upper BRs.
- different rotating vehicle lists instead of rotating BR numbers.
a motivated developer who knows top tier SB could build this for a test run by next week or the week after.
I’m not talking about uptiering top-tier, These “Parallel rotations/BR’s” might just be the most brainless suggestion I’ve ever heard on any sim thread so far… Why would 12.3 aircraft ever join the 12.7 lobby? At that point just say the top-bracket lobby is 12.7-12.7, which in itself is a terrible idea.
But hey, what do you know? You literally have zero games played in sim above 11.0 lol.
Unless your suggestion is to have these ‘parallel’ brackets all the way down to 1.0, which is just silly as it would essentially create 30-40 different brackets - there will always be people suffering from up tiers, it’s how Gaijin has balanced the game and I doubt Gaijin is looking to scrap the whole “battle-rating” concept either, we have to work with it… Currently RB’s MM decides your fate by pure RNG, with some BR’s like 11.0 facing far more uptiers than downtiers. Let’s be happy we have a rotation where every BR gets it’s day to shine with the small sacrifice being some BR’s near top tier not getting their full-down tiers until the next higher BR arrives.
This is coming from someone who’s by far favourite BR is 11.0, with my favourite plane being the JA37C becoming completely redundant now without the 11.0 down-tier. I however can actually comprehend that this temporary minimal drawback of a 0.3 up tier is for the best and I don’t call the entire matchmaker ‘shit’ because of it.
simplest emergency solution. further reduce the rotation distances above 10.0. for example, not 4 BRs per set but max. 3 BRs.
is that important? he plays EC. he plays 11.0 Jets. isn’t that enough?
what if someone is not interested in 12.0? does the opinion then carry less weight in the forum?
I don’t play 12.0 either because I prefer the DCS F-16 to the cheap crippled WT F-16
Except, it’s not permanent. You would’ve known this if you actually read my messages. This is a small temporary drawback of a good system. If you think everyone can be “downtiered” at any time, like with your ‘parallel’ idea, you’re just being silly. It’s not a sustainable solution.
There will always be up tiers and downtiers. It’s just the way the game is balanced. We can either go the RB route and have it be up to complete RNG, or we can actually have a predictable consistent system/schedule with rotating brackets where we know what we’re getting ourselves into each day, not having to cross our fingers every time we press play. If we want the brackets, then we inherently can’t have everyone get downtiers all the time without there being 30+ brackets which is just ridiculous. Get over it.
Resorting to these kinds of insults really only shows where your own maturity is at. Trust me, you’re not coming across any better.
We already have this, there’s multiple brackets with only 3 BR’s above 9.7. This already creates some issues where it thins-out player base a bit, making it harder to fill a game.
(brackets with a red dot have only 3 BR’s)
The only solution we could have to fix the 11.0 down-tier is to make some of the brackets only have 2 BR’s.(alternatively have one massive bracket with 5 BR’s) These 2 alternatives would be either:
11.3-12.0 and 12.3-12.7 (2 BR’s)
or
11.3-11.7 and 12.0-12.7 (2 BR’s)
or
10.0-11.0 and 11.3-12.7 (5 BR’s)(they did something like this last update, people hated it.)
One of them will be a tiny bracket which will struggle to fill players, this is the reason I have understanding for some BR’s not having a full down-tier sometimes… Once 13.0 or 13.3 arrives, 11.0 downtier will be back. It’s not that big of a deal.
Just to clarify, doing something like this with 2 BR’s, or 5 BR’s is still a solution I can reason with, but I can also see why Gaijin didn’t go in this direction - And ultimately, I believe doing one of these (2 or 5BR brackets) would damage sim more, than 11.0 temporarily missing out on a full down-tier would damage sim.
I don’t know where we should ‘draw the line’ between top-tier but 11.0 isn’t it.
I don’t often go into peoples stats, but sometimes someone makes a post so detached from reality and reasoning that there’s just no way they actually have the experience.
This guy is currently presenting ridiculous solutions which would clearly damage top-tier, I checked his stats - he’s never flown anything top tier/above 11.0.
Let me reiterate, a guy that’s only ever flown 11.0 and has a premium at the BR, wants a solution which would massively damage top-tier so that the exact BR of 11.0 doesn’t have to temporarily face a single 0.3 BR up tier. (likely sooner with Fox 3.). I also didn’t say that his opinion didn’t matter, I’ve been trying to have a good discussion with him, I’m simply pointing out some pretty obvious bias here…
Obviously this depends on the context. My opinion on most matters regarding Ground/tank stuff should not matter or carry any weight… Because I have no experience.
What do you mean crippled? It’s performing to charts and even overperforming in AoA in WT. If anything it’s OP. I haven’t flown DCS F16 though, maybe that one is even more over-performing.